Avoid alcohol and sugar if you do not want Cancer

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Originally Posted by JohnF

But there are hundreds of Examples. Today's Sydney Morning Herald Newspaper talks of how many young executive women are being treated for liver disease [which will often turn into cancer later in life], and these are women in their 20's. And they are sick because they are ignorant of what their binge drinking is doing to them.

They are ignorant of the medical fact that alcohol is causing them to get Liver disease in their 20s.

Now I am not against women's lib in what I am about to say. Men can drink more than women, because men have a different Physiology--we are not equal, women may drink as much as men legally, but it affects them much more. That is scientific fact. See men have cells in the Stomach that detoxifies the Poison Alcohol. Women do not have those cells. I is the way the different sexes are made. Viva La Difference.

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John

That's a very broad brush you're using to paint alcohol as a single cause of liver disease.

There are any number of causes of liver disease, alcohol being but one although a significant one.

I still have problems with the term scientific fact, it seems to me to be another factoid not dissimilar to known fact. Something is either a fact or it's not.

Diana

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Originally Posted by Ferret

But you don't accepts large areas of science. So why should we believe your appeal to "believe me it's science" when you have dismissed entire branches of it before.

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Will not have long on this today.

I have not dismissed Entire branches of Science. Take for example Paleontology. I accept most of it. I just do not accept their dating of Rock layers, due to the wealth of evidence to the contrary. For example I accept that Tyrannosaurus rex roamed the earth sometime ago. The Fossils show that. The thing I disagree with is not his existence, but the time line.

But as the thread on that Subject-- Evolution was cancelled by Inc, I will say no more on this Matter. I was a trained Pathology Technician a branch of Science dealing with Cancers, etc.

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Originally Posted by JohnF

Will not have long on this today.

I have not dismissed Entire branches of Science. Take for example Paleontology. I accept most of it. I just do not accept their dating of Rock layers, due to the wealth of evidence to the contrary. For example I accept that Tyrannosaurus rex roamed the earth sometime ago. The Fossils show that. The thing I disagree with is not his existence, but the time line.

But as the thread on that Subject-- Evolution was cancelled by Inc, I will say no more on this Matter. I was a trained Pathology Technician a branch of Science dealing with Cancers, etc.

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So you're suggesting that dinosaurs roamed the world, sometime about 6 or 7 thousand years ago when Adam and his genetically manipulated clone Eve were roaming about in Messipotamia. Sorry I have never read anywhere in Genesis the part where Adam named any of the giant lizards.

I guess, you'll be getting you're 27 virgins when you get to heaven too.

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Originally Posted by sheerluck

My father had what started as bowel cancer, that spread to his liver and brain, and killed him 11 days after being diagnosed. Did alcohol kill him? Who knows. He was a huge drinker, and smoker, and pretty overweight for most of his last 20 years. You could have chosen any one of twenty factors that could have caused it.
My grandfather also had bowel cancer, that spread to the liver. He hung on for months though. His drinking consisted of a sherry before dinner. Not really hardcore.

My aunt was, up until her retirement last year, the UK's most senior oncology nurse consultant (or something like that!), her job was born from her seeing so many family members being hit by it. She nags me every time she sees me about being checked.

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Alcohol use greatly increases risk, it is not the one and only factor, diet, etc., comes into this. for example one 100ml glass of wine each day increases a woman's risk of breast cancer several times, and increases man's risk of Prostrate cancer several times. It does not guarantee that you will get this sort of cancer.

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Originally Posted by sheerluck

My aunt was, up until her retirement last year, the UK's most senior oncology nurse consultant (or something like that!), her job was born from her seeing so many family members being hit by it. She nags me every time she sees me about being checked.

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So do get yourself checked. If I nag you it probably would not work, so listen to your Aunt.

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Originally Posted by JohnF

Alcohol use greatly increases risk, it is not the one and only factor, diet, etc., comes into this. for example one 100ml glass of wine each day increases a woman's risk of breast cancer several times, and increases man's risk of Prostrate cancer several times. It does not guarantee that you will get this sort of cancer.

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As I inferred in my post John, it is not as clear cut as you are making it out to be. My father was in the RAF for nearly 30 years. He was around all variety of chemicals related to aircraft, injected with hell knows what before being dispatched to various battlefields, exercises, aircraft crashes.....and a predisposition related to the family's genes.

As I said, it could have been any one of 20 factors.

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Originally Posted by Coastie

John it is Prostate cancer. There is no second r in the word.
Prostrate means lying on the ground.

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yes, I am not good at spelling, and I misspelt that word. Sorry.

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Originally Posted by Ausfree

John F,
Honestly, you can't wrap yourself up in cotton wool all your life. As long as you do things, including drinking alcohol, in moderation. I think cigarettes are a bigger risk to your health than the occasional tipple or the couple of spoons of sugar in your coffee.:)
If you want to be super cautious about risks in life, don't get out of bed in the morning that way the only risk you face is the roof falling on you.;)

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I posted what the World Health organisation says about risks. It is then up to you if you take the risk.

If after a flood a bridge was found washed away you would expect the Council to put up a Sign warning drivers the Road is closed. If someone speeds past that Sign and ends up with himself trapped upside down underwater and drowning, he cannot complain that he was not warned.

With this post about the Warning that the W. H. O. gave us it is up to you whether or not you accept the Warning. However if you ignore the warning and end up Drowning you should not say that you were not warned.

All those women in their 20s who have Liver Disease according to the SMH article,all say they did not know. So you need to know, but if you ignore the warning, well it is then on your head.

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Originally Posted by Ausfree

Got the stutters there John, ease up on the sugar, mate!!!!!:p:wasntme::D

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I agree white sugar is bad, but that was not the subject of this thread, so that I did not respond to previous posts on Sugar. And yes I have eased on sugar-- until late 1990s I drank huge amounts of soft drink, but have cut most of it out. So I agree, cut out sugar.

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Originally Posted by Lotz-A-Landies

John

That's a very broad brush you're using to paint alcohol as a single cause of liver disease.

There are any number of causes of liver disease, alcohol being but one although a significant one.

I still have problems with the term scientific fact, it seems to me to be another factoid not dissimilar to known fact. Something is either a fact or it's not.

Diana

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But Doctors are talking about a recent spike in Liver disease among young women, where a couple of decades ago they did not get this disease.

And it is Medical Science, not me who states that this spike is due to increased Alcohol Consumption.

I read Medical Science surveys that predicts that their will be a very dramatic increase in breast cancer & Lung cancer among women because they drink and smoke much more now. I cannot prove that this great increase of cancers among women will happen, but Medical Science does say it is going to happen. See they know that women have changed, smoking more and drinking more than they did, so Medical Science is now waiting for the results of women drinking.

It is known science, but most chose to deliberately remain in ignorance.