And Now, Bye Bye Toyota

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Originally Posted by Chucaro

Loyalty have to work both ways, perhaps the workers have learned by their mates in Holden that companies do not give a dam about them ?
Just wonder how much absenteeism was among management..............

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Lets not do the us and them spin. There was no mention of blue collar vs white collar absenteeism just that a lot of people took a sickie. :)

Who ever they are, they should do the right thing and take leave instead of chucking a sickie. Sick leave is not a leave entitlement, you only get it if you're sick. It costs businesses a stack when sick leave is taken and when slackers decide to use it as holiday leave then it is even worse. While the employee (white or blue) does this, the normal leave is still on the books for the business and must be provisioned on the balance sheet ie cash in bank to cover it. Add to that loss of productivity etc and the costs go up further and before you know it the business owners are wondering why they can't make it work.

This is a symptom of what is wrong with the mentality towards work. Some work is crap and some work better than crap - just get on and do it properly and work your way to better opportunities. While a lots of people do the right thing, 30% of the work force chucking a sickie is unsustainable. These people need to look over their shoulder a little more at who is looking to take their job. It's the worker in India, China or Korea. Work ethic is key!


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Sick and tired of absenteeism

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Originally Posted by SBD4

Lets not do the us and them spin. There was no mention of blue collar vs white collar absenteeism just that a lot of people took a sickie. :)

Who ever they are, they should do the right thing and take leave instead of chucking a sickie. .................................................. ...

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Note that I mentioned management only, not the administrative workers.
Regarding sickies I agree with you, they should loose that day plus payment for the public holiday.
Sick days are to help those that are sick not to have long weekends.

in my day you had to be there at least 4 hours before and after a public holiday to get paid for it...

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Originally Posted by Chucaro

Note that I mentioned management only, not the administrative workers.
Regarding sickies I agree with you, they should loose that day plus payment for the public holiday.
Sick days are to help those that are sick not to have long weekends.

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As much as I don't want to get into this merry go round of I said you said, ad finitum, if workers were allowed to convert their sickies on retirement, to either their long service , or leave credits, and if they could carry over sick leave benefits from job to job, [ but only access previous benefits at retirement, ] that would be an incentive to stay at work. Could be part of an enterprise bargain. Bob

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Originally Posted by bob10

As much as I don't want to get into this merry go round of I said you said, ad finitum, if workers were allowed to convert their sickies on retirement, to either their long service , or leave credits, and if they could carry over sick leave benefits from job to job, [ but only access previous benefits at retirement, ] that would be an incentive to stay at work. Could be part of an enterprise bargain. Bob

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you used to be able to preserve up to 7 weeks of them before they vanished into the ether, what is it these days?

Heard on the wirless today that now tojo have bailed out it means there is no reason for a tax on ANY imported vehicle into awestralia.
Makes our Landys 5% cheaper:cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool:: cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool:
Andrew

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Originally Posted by LandyAndy

Heard on the wirless today that now tojo have bailed out it means there is no reason for a tax on ANY imported vehicle into awestralia.
Makes our Landys 5% cheaper:cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool:: cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool:
Andrew

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Pity I'm not earning the cash to buy one.

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Originally Posted by bob10

As much as I don't want to get into this merry go round of I said you said, ad finitum, if workers were allowed to convert their sickies on retirement, to either their long service , or leave credits, and if they could carry over sick leave benefits from job to job, [ but only access previous benefits at retirement, ] that would be an incentive to stay at work. Could be part of an enterprise bargain. Bob

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Before going any further with the debate on that tack, perhaps have a look at why the 3 major US manufacturers got into so much trouble. They were paying benefits for workers who had been out of the industry for decades.

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Originally Posted by Ean Austral

Just watched Ross Greenwoods take on the car industry in Australia, and he compared a Toyota Camry cost new in USA , Canada , and here.


Guess what....It cost $10,000 more to buy one here than over there.. WHY..


Its called TAX. been imposed for years... Yep we live in the lucky country




Cheers Ean

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Then again, I read recently about a guy in the US getting charged $55k for an emergency appendectomy! Swings and round-abouts maybe...

I heard. On the telly today that the average car worker was on 50k Shock horror and the unions where to blame. If true I would like to know what they consider a fair amount ! ;)