well that killed my question
who the hell is harold ? [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif[/img]
okay okay, i live a sheltered life....
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well that killed my question
who the hell is harold ? [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif[/img]
okay okay, i live a sheltered life....
me too inc,,
must have to watch more tv :x
harold scruby's whole attack on the 4wd community stems from an accident he had in mosman some years ago where he cleaned up a pedestrian. this sent him over the edge on a massive guilt trip and he's now out to get everyone else to right his wrongs.
the case he has against 4wd's is all based on hearsay and inuendo. i suggest he put's his money where his mouth is and stand in the middle of military road and let me mow him down at full tilt to prove to me once and for all that 4wd's can be dangerous.
RoverOne, I don't quite follow your argument. You say that drivers need training; that I agree on, but not a special license? Just extra training? The advantage of a license, or test is that it proves a certain level of competence. We all know about turn-up-and-pass training.Quote:
Originally posted by RoverOne
From what I've been told about Harold Scruby and his Pedestrian Council of Australia, is in fact himself in a room with a fax etc. Apparantly and don't quote me...his daughter was killed in a crossing by a 4WD with a bull bar.... that's what I was told. He interests me little so I never found out the truth, but guys like this are dangerous as they make a lot of noise, so far no one really is listening....but one day they might - scary 8O
As far as driver training in 4WD go, there is a case for inexprienced drivers to have training ie:- friend Paul lends his Disco to mate first time driver of 4x4, same day rolls it at lights slamming breaks & lock up probably wouldn't happen in sedan :?: ie 2:- ex president's wife takes out lifted Disco with muddies, slides in rain, tipps over and takes out traffic lights, again BMW driver out of depth.
We think its tough about this type of licensing as we are probably all good drivers knowing our vehicles capabilities on & off road....but there are those that I've had on some trips scare the crap out of me watching their performance level.
Before anyone gets hot under the collar I do not think we should have special licences or testing for 4WD. I have bike, class 5 truck & others to keep me upright, some learn by experience others never will learn no matter what testing or training they attend.
[quote="rmp"]RoverOne, I don't quite follow your argument. You say that drivers need training; that I agree on, but not a special license? Just extra training? The advantage of a license, or test is that it proves a certain level of competence. We all know about turn-up-and-pass training.[Quote:
Originally Posted by RoverOne
RMP, [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif[/img]
I'm a advocate for advanced driver training before license issue in NSW ( yes I have done a couple and also Stay Upright course for bikes) I've driven hard all my life, millions of miles and still live to tell the tale, I've also Ralleyed a couple of years, and motocross/ Finke desert/ Sunrasia Rally (70's) etc. but plenty broken toes, ankle and now crook shoulder.
In both the above accidents, had they one intense day on the skid pans, I'm convinced the chances are they could have avoided the tip over?? Well maybe not Rex the d**k head :oops: .
We are over licensed and over governed, the license won't stop deaths, only training will, the license now "a certain level of competance" and thats all, just enough not to run the wheels up onto the gutter whilst parking :!:
Any way that how I feel rmp.