Chinese F1 GP

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Originally Posted by Samblers

You mis-understand me. I'm saying F1 must move on, and has.

Tech has moved on
Rules have moved on
Drivers and teams have moved on
The sound has moved on.

You must also move on.

You are the first person i have heard of (actual person) who has complained about the sound. Have you heard it live? No one at the track was complaining. The turbo spin-up was amazing.

Oh, you and Bernie Ecclestone. Except when Bernice Ecclestone complained about the engine sounds at Melbourne he wasnt even in Australia at the time. And he's 83 so probably cant hear much anyway.

We are now 4 races in and no-one seems to be talking about changing the engine sound any more.

Move on.

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SERIOUSLY, do you even watch the GPs??? Every single event thus far, has mentioned the sound and the fact it will be changed!
You say drivers and teams have moved on. Mate I doubt you even stay up late enough to watch. If you do watch, maybe spend less time talking to your mates and PAY ATTENTION! The sound/noise is THE main talking point!!!!!!
Maybe you've still got ear plugs in from last year.......,.

What Daniel has going for him vs The Kraut is this year the cars are more lively with less downforce, no blown diffusers and generally less handling influences by extreme lengths of aero. He has far more recent experience in this type of car from lower levels of racing that Vettel hasn't seen for years and probably was swept over to get him into F1 ASAP on the back of $$$ through personal sponsorships. Daniel can just deal with it and drive through it. Put then both in an 80's turbo car and vettel would probably **** himself and wonder what the little stick on the right is.

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Originally Posted by clubagreenie

What Daniel has going for him vs The Kraut is this year the cars are more lively with less downforce, no blown diffusers and generally less handling influences by extreme lengths of aero. He has far more recent experience in this type of car from lower levels of racing that Vettel hasn't seen for years and probably was swept over to get him into F1 ASAP on the back of $$$ through personal sponsorships. Daniel can just deal with it and drive through it. Put then both in an 80's turbo car and vettel would probably **** himself and wonder what the little stick on the right is.

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Exactly. They have to really drive these cars this season. Vettel has got the ****s coz his little toy has changed this year, and he can't handle it. (literally) Daniel has been brought up in lesser cars.
Well said.

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Originally Posted by discovery39

SERIOUSLY, do you even watch the GPs??? Every single event thus far, has mentioned the sound and the fact it will be changed!

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Yes. All. Some twice. Have you paid attention?

The sound is the biggest non-issue this year. A quick glance at the BBC F1 page reveals exactly no items related to changes to the engines and their sound. Because its not happening.

BBC Sport - Formula 1

Move on.

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Originally Posted by Samblers

Yes. All. Some twice. Have you paid attention?

The sound is the biggest non-issue this year. A quick glance at the BBC F1 page reveals exactly no items related to changes to the engines and their sound. Because its not happening.

BBC Sport - Formula 1

Move on.

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Wow, you looked at a website. Good for you.
Go away.

And went to a race.

Pathetic.

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Originally Posted by discovery39

Exactly. They have to really drive these cars this season. Vettel has got the ****s coz his little toy has changed this year, and he can't handle it. (literally) Daniel has been brought up in lesser cars.
Well said.

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A true champion can still win in sub-standard cars.Some of the races Shcmacher won in a Bennaton,is the mark of a champion. Senna in some under powered cars could still win,awesome.

People hail Vettel as a champion driver,but maybe it's a case of a champion car with a average driver at the wheel?Young Daniel has the same car but is doing far better the Vettel.

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Originally Posted by disco man

A true champion can still win in sub-standard cars.Some of the races Shcmacher won in a Bennaton,is the mark of a champion. Senna in some under powered cars could still win,awesome.

People hail Vettel as a champion driver,but maybe it's a case of a champion car with a average driver at the wheel?Young Daniel has the same car but is doing far better the Vettel.

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Ah, yes, that is true, however the car has to actually keep running..........

And that came come down to the driver just as much as the engineering. Some drivers I've worked with have;

1. No mechanical idea at all about how a car works, so;
2. There's no feeling on what the car is going through and driving around issues that are arising.
3. From this, there are drivers who can pilot a car around a circuit fast (take vettel) but don't have the "ass" to feel what the car is doing underneath them. I believe this stems from coming from driving cars that are overpowered for the cars handling abilities vs having a car with low power and having to drive it to the absolute limit of power and pushing its handling abilities at an absolute point instead of having to back off on power application and having the car setup to handle at that point.
4. The drivers that "did it hard" coming through the ranks. That had to fund themselves, engineer themselves or with little help and working with crews know what makes up a car, what each system does and how it affects other areas and how to provide feedback to the crews to enable them to better set up the car.

Many of todays drivers are from the "buying a drive" bringing their personal or sponsor $$$ with them and the lower trams that need the money will sck them up. I can relate it (as cheesy as it may be) to the movie Days of Thunder, where TC talks of the fact that he doesn't have the vocabulary to feedback what the cars doing. He just has the ability to drive the door handles off it but at much expense to the cars longevity.

Go back in history, there have always been periods where there is a matchup of a dominant driver in either;

1. An equally superior car.
2. A car that is inferior to the immediate competition but the superior car has the inferior driver.

During the 80's, you had Mansell, Prost, Senna, Rosburg et al. There was always a mix of winners, cars were not completely reliable (remember the regular explosions of turbos) and everything was mechanical so you had to be sympathetic or it just wouldn't last. As I said earlier, a driver from those days would be able to slip into todays cars and be competitive (probably with the exception of Rosberg who was a mountain by comparison to todays drivers) but very few of todays drivers would be competitive in those cars with the eras drivers. For the same reason you stick a rally driver into a F1 and they are competitive but an F1 driver is slower in a rally car.

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Originally Posted by clubagreenie

And that came come down to the driver just as much as the engineering. Some drivers I've worked with have;

1. No mechanical idea at all about how a car works, so;
2. There's no feeling on what the car is going through and driving around issues that are arising.
3. From this, there are drivers who can pilot a car around a circuit fast (take vettel) but don't have the "ass" to feel what the car is doing underneath them. I believe this stems from coming from driving cars that are overpowered for the cars handling abilities vs having a car with low power and having to drive it to the absolute limit of power and pushing its handling abilities at an absolute point instead of having to back off on power application and having the car setup to handle at that point.
4. The drivers that "did it hard" coming through the ranks. That had to fund themselves, engineer themselves or with little help and working with crews know what makes up a car, what each system does and how it affects other areas and how to provide feedback to the crews to enable them to better set up the car.

Many of todays drivers are from the "buying a drive" bringing their personal or sponsor $$$ with them and the lower trams that need the money will sck them up. I can relate it (as cheesy as it may be) to the movie Days of Thunder, where TC talks of the fact that he doesn't have the vocabulary to feedback what the cars doing. He just has the ability to drive the door handles off it but at much expense to the cars longevity.

Go back in history, there have always been periods where there is a matchup of a dominant driver in either;

1. An equally superior car.
2. A car that is inferior to the immediate competition but the superior car has the inferior driver.

During the 80's, you had Mansell, Prost, Senna, Rosburg et al. There was always a mix of winners, cars were not completely reliable (remember the regular explosions of turbos) and everything was mechanical so you had to be sympathetic or it just wouldn't last. As I said earlier, a driver from those days would be able to slip into todays cars and be competitive (probably with the exception of Rosberg who was a mountain by comparison to todays drivers) but very few of todays drivers would be competitive in those cars with the eras drivers. For the same reason you stick a rally driver into a F1 and they are competitive but an F1 driver is slower in a rally car.

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Very well said mate.Alan Jones had a couple of wins in some rubbish cars and same for Denny Hulme.

IMO rally drivers are the absolute best,to be able to drive on all surfaces on stages that change from year to year and also be responsible for tyre choice and have full trust in your co-pilot is very impressive.