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    Quote Originally Posted by ramblingboy42 View Post
    I use weatherzone, which gets it's info directly from BOM.

    The current average diurnal temperature is up by 3.2*C

    do you think I'm making this up?

    Making statements not in context might be closer to the mark.

    Diurnal would imply a smaller time frame and if it's over 10-12 years, then expecting of 3.2 degrees celsius is not a stretch.

    Back your statements with some links (references) and then we can all be informed.

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    http://www.csiro.au/~/media/CSIROau/...0Standard.ashx
    Since 1960 the mean temperature in Australia has increased by about 0.7 °C . The long term trend in temperature is clear, but there is still substantial year to year variability of about plus/minus 0.5 °C.
    Some areas have experienced a warming of 1.5 to 2 ºC over the last 50 years. Warming has occurred in all seasons, however the strongest warming has occurred in spring (about 0.9 °C) and the weakest in summer (about 0.4 °C).
    Australian average temperatures are projected to rise by 0.6 to 1.5 ºC by 2030. If global greenhouse gas emissions continue to grow at rates consistent with past trends, warming is projected to be in the range of 2.2 to 5.0 ºC by 2070. Warming is projected to be lower near the coast and in Tasmania and higher in central and northwestern Australia. These changes will be felt through an increase in the number of hot days.
    and
    State of the Climate 2014: Bureau of Meteorology
    Australia’s climate has warmed since national records began in 1910, especially since 1950. Mean surface air temperature has warmed by 0.9°C since 1910. Daytime maximum temperatures have warmed by 0.8°C over the same period, while overnight minimum temperatures have warmed by 1.1°C. The warming trend occurs against a background of year-to-year climate variability, mostly associated with El Niño and La Niña in the tropical Pacific. 2013 was Australia’s warmest year on record, being 1.2°C above the 1961–1990 average of 21.8°C and 0.17°C above the previous warmest year in 2005. Seven of the ten warmest years on record have occurred since 1998.
    Don't see mentions of 3deg in any short term scenarios.


    Martyn

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mick_Marsh View Post
    Well, since the last drought, we have had a bit of wet weather, but, the dams have never achieved 100% fill and we are heading into another drought.
    I think sometime into the next few years we will be wanting another desal plant.
    Here's the tricky bit , your filling up in vic, around 70-80% at the moment. In NSW we are about 85% but could have been higher , faster if not for a govt trying to sell the desal plant . Basically they stopped supply from tallowa to keep warragambs low. Further certain dams(Barwon-Geelong)in vic where at 97% in 2012. http://www.barwonwater.vic.gov.au/learning/storages

    Dam level hits 10-year high

    Water, water everywhere as catchment levels close in on 15-year high

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    Quote Originally Posted by frantic View Post
    Here's the tricky bit , your filling up in vic, around 70-80% at the moment. In NSW we are about 85% but could have been higher , faster if not for a govt trying to sell the desal plant . Basically they stopped supply from tallowa to keep warragambs low. Further certain dams(Barwon-Geelong)in vic where at 97% in 2012. Barwon Water

    Dam level hits 10-year high

    Water, water everywhere as catchment levels close in on 15-year high
    Yep, of course the levels are going to be higher than the years we were in drought. Don't forget the drought was 10+ years and there was a lead in to the drought.
    Here is better information than an out of date news article:
    Reservoir levels
    The observant will notice the reservoir levels for Victoria have not risen much over 80% since the drought. With the imminent arrival of el-nino, I doubt they will climb much higher.

    Quote Originally Posted by frantic View Post
    "our dams will never ever be full again"
    So far, I'm not seeing enough evidence to prove that statement wrong.

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    I am quite sure I put a link in my opening post.

    it is still there.

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    if you go to weatherzone.com and open gold coast location you will clearly see the averages of rain, temp etc.

    my statements are clearly backed up with facts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ramblingboy42 View Post
    if you go to weatherzone.com and open gold coast location you will clearly see the averages of rain, temp etc.

    my statements are clearly backed up with facts.
    You typed:
    Quote Originally Posted by ramblingboy42 View Post
    All minimum and maximum average temperatures are up by an average of 3*c all over Australia
    The article you linked to stated:
    "The sea temperatures are already 1 or 2 degrees above normal, and right along the South American coast, perhaps 2 or 3 degrees above normal," Professor Stone said.
    Where did you get your figures from?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mick_Marsh View Post
    Where did you get your figures from?
    Buggers me, and I'm not spending all weekend trying to find it.

    Can't even say it's quoted out of context, does look like it's made up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andrew D View Post
    Buggers me, and I'm not spending all weekend trying to find it.

    Can't even say it's quoted out of context, does look like it's made up.

    Regards
    Andrew
    I think he got a little confused.
    There are quite a number of people on this forum who need to brush up on their comprehension skills. At times I have to read a post several times before I know what the poster is trying to communicate.

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    Mick the links I gave showed warragamba overflowed in 2012, we all know about Qld, and Victoria went from 25% to 75% in 3 months.
    Do you honestly believe that with an almost 50% population increase in vic! You know your growing faster than sydney, and no new dam since 1984 there is sufficient water? Sydney is in the same basket ,just the dam built in 1960 was a more forward plan, that is close to it's providing limit now. Vics pop has gone from just over 4 million to almost 6, sydney has storage capacity over 2500gl Melbourne is 1800gl, warragamba holds about 2000gl.
    Both states had plans for a new dam ,(Mitchell river and welcome reef Nsw Mary in Qld)that would have cost 1/2-1/5th the desal plant crap , but each where greenified.
    So Nsw dams overflowed 2012, Qld underwater 2011, = in my book 2/3 or 66% correct to me or a fail to the never ever full 07 prediction. That they are draining faster should not be a surprise.
    Victoria to highs of 88%, higher this year than last for same time, and Geelong regions to 97.6% is pretty close

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