Thread: Climate change? what climate change?

read post #13.....follow the instructions

you don't have to if you don't want to but it's there

Originally Posted by ramblingboy42

read post #13.....follow the instructions

you don't have to if you don't want to but it's there

Originally Posted by ramblingboy42

open gold coast location you will clearly see the averages of rain, temp etc.

is hardly

Originally Posted by ramblingboy42

all over Australia

Put up a link supporting your statement or it will be dismissed as an ill informed opinion.

Originally Posted by Mick_Marsh

Well, since the last drought, we have had a bit of wet weather, but, the dams have never achieved 100% fill and we are heading into another drought.
I think sometime into the next few years we will be wanting another desal plant.

The fact is that since the Thompson and Dartmouth dams were built in Vic, we have NEVER had our storages at 100%.

Right now they are a level which would provide water for Melbourne for in excess of 6 years (according to Melbourne Water) even if we received NO rain in that time.... highly unlikely you'd have to agree. They do allow for normal inflows to get their figure.

Mick you suggest we'll need another desal plant? The one we have has NEVER been used and by all accounts has double the capacity we may ever need. Why then would we need another multi billion dollar plant? They run on electricity (and they use a LOT of it) which in Victoria is principally generated by burning brown coal ...... very environmentally friendly I'm sure..... NOT

The problem with all this is that we are trying to extrapolate statistics from records which at the very best have existed for about 150 years, a mere blink of an eye in the history of the planet.

I don't know if the planet is truly warming, and know even less if any such climate change is man made. I think it's good that industries are being encouraged to reduce emissions etc, that just has to be good in the long term for our environment and the planet in general.

What really gets on my goat is that these days if ANY scientist decides to stand up and say that our climate is going through a cyclical change (this can mean a cycle of 10 million years or more), or if indeed that any warming is NOT man made, he is shouted down and pilloried by his pro-warming peers or indeed the populist political parties of the time.

I await some truly scientific evidence that any warming is man made. I read a lot about it, and I do research things. Both sides seem to come up with so called 'FACTS' and dramatic pictures (such as Al Gore with his repetitive pictures of ice bergs breaking off of a glacier, which they have done for millenia) but failing to actually show irrefutable evidence to back up their views.

Panic does not generate rational responses.

RANT OVER!

Thanks for your great post Alan.

Originally Posted by wardy1

The fact is that since the Thompson and Dartmouth dams were built in Vic, we have NEVER had our storages at 100%.

You are so right. Building dams is not the solution. The truth is our rainfall is diminishing.

Originally Posted by wardy1

Right now they are a level which would provide water for Melbourne for in excess of 6 years (according to Melbourne Water) even if we received NO rain in that time.... highly unlikely you'd have to agree. They do allow for normal inflows to get their figure.

And how long did the last drought last?

Originally Posted by wardy1

Mick you suggest we'll need another desal plant? The one we have has NEVER been used and by all accounts has double the capacity we may ever need. Why then would we need another multi billion dollar plant? They run on electricity (and they use a LOT of it) which in Victoria is principally generated by burning brown coal ...... very environmentally friendly I'm sure..... NOT

The problem with the current desal plant is it was built at the end of the drought. It didn't come on line until it wasn't needed. It will be needed in the future and when the populace see it in operation, when needed in the next twenty year drought, they will be wanting more water that it can produce. It is currently designed to supply Melbourne but we will be needing to supply Victoria.
Yes, it is powered by the mud burners and we have to change that.

Originally Posted by wardy1

The problem with all this is that we are trying to extrapolate statistics from records which at the very best have existed for about 150 years, a mere blink of an eye in the history of the planet.

We are looking at the evidence from many thousands of years to predict climate change

Originally Posted by wardy1

I don't know if the planet is truly warming, and know even less if any such climate change is man made. I think it's good that industries are being encouraged to reduce emissions etc, that just has to be good in the long term for our environment and the planet in general.

What really gets on my goat is that these days if ANY scientist decides to stand up and say that our climate is going through a cyclical change (this can mean a cycle of 10 million years or more), or if indeed that any warming is NOT man made, he is shouted down and pilloried by his pro-warming peers or indeed the populist political parties of the time.

I await some truly scientific evidence that any warming is man made. I read a lot about it, and I do research things. Both sides seem to come up with so called 'FACTS' and dramatic pictures (such as Al Gore with his repetitive pictures of ice bergs breaking off of a glacier, which they have done for millenia) but failing to actually show irrefutable evidence to back up their views.

The evidence is out there. So many sites and scientific articles to link to. The argument has shifted from whether climate change exists or not to the degree of the effect.

Originally Posted by wardy1

Panic does not generate rational responses.

RANT OVER!

And a good rant it was.

I've made no opinions at all.

Who is going to dismiss my statements as ill informed opinions?

I certainly don't have to prove anything to anyone either.

Pacific presidents speak out against Australia's stand on climate change - Australia Network News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

Originally Posted by Mick_Marsh

You typed:

The article you linked to stated:

Where did you get your figures from?

I just read the thread, perhaps is for here were the figures come?

"The sea temperatures are already 1 or 2 degrees above normal, and right along the South American coast, perhaps 2 or 3 degrees above normal," Professor Stone said.

"That's the telltale sign of an early stage to an El Nino event."

Professor Stone says the sub-surface temperature across the central and eastern Pacific is warmer by up to 5 degrees"

About Professor Roger Stone

And also HERE