OHS GONE MAD

**bob10** · 26th June 2014, 07:21 AM

I shake my head when I hear about children with " anxiety " disorders. You can almost bet on it being a lack of confidence. If this is bought on by an abusive family environment, or indeed any other type of abuse, there is an army of counsellors, etc, that are trained to deal with it. However, I believe no amount of professional help will restore the young persons self esteem, or self confidence. This will follow them into adult life, with the result, I believe, that when confronted with a difficult situation, such as peer pressure to do the wrong thing, whether it be drugs, or criminal activity, they don't have the confidence to say no.

Some children , such as those smaller than average, just don't have self confidence. One of the oldest, and best , ways to grow confidence, and discipline, in the young , is some form of self defence classes. And, the best out of these, is, IMO, boxing. Properly trained, in a disciplined environment, children will grow in confidence , and learn to stand up for themselves. They are also taught self discipline.

Years ago, at school, I can't remember a bullying problem. Either the bully got sorted behind the sheds, or the teachers put the gloves on the protagonists, and had them fight it out behind the sheds. [ I can almost hear the do gooders falling off their chairs in shock !] Quite often, the fighters became mates. Obviously, it's a different country now. But I can't help feeling some of those people led into drugs by their overbearing peers may have fared better if they had the confidence to just say no.

Here is a web site that may help some young person. Bob

Welcome to the Official Boxing Queensland Website

**Homestar** · 26th June 2014, 10:59 AM

Sorry Bob, but bullying is nothing new and certainly not a product of the younger generation or their parents. I may not be as old as you, but when I went to school bullying was rife - it's just that very little was done about it back then. It was also very serious, not just a push and shove or a few fists. I finished school back in the early 80's and suffered for years at the hands of the school bullies. Being kicked and punched, cut with broken glass, beaten with sticks, etc - savage stuff. Back then I was just told to suck it up, even when I came home injured - by both the school, and my parents.

I think I'm lucky I have no lasting side effects from all that - I know a friend of mine who suffered similar treatment there certainly does suffer ongoing anxiety which I'm sure stemmed from that.

I wouldn't wish that sort of treatment on anyone and the fact that people don't stand for this any more and are trying to stamp it out is a good thing. Violence begets violence IMO.

Interesting enough, one of the worst bullies at the school - a strong, violent mountain with an IQ of a lemon - is serving time for murdering someone just after he left school.

DiscoMick · 26th June 2014, 11:09 AM

There is zero tolerance to bullying in our school, which is one of the reasons parents send their kids here, to get away from other schools where there is lots of bullying. I recently had my students write a short piece about bullying and some told of what they had been through elsewhere.

The particular student I referred to previously has other issues which I can't discuss.

**bob10** · 26th June 2014, 05:22 PM

Originally Posted by bacicat

Sorry Bob, but bullying is nothing new and certainly not a product of the younger generation or their parents

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No need to be sorry , mate. I understand what you are saying. But, you don't understand what I am Saying. In my day, back in the late 50's, early 60's, what you say happened to you, in my experience, did not happen to us. We were encouraged to stick up for ourselves, any behaviour like what you describe, was stamped on. With the Headmasters OK.
Let me tell you a story. Back in about 1961, my family came from Rockhampton, to live in Brisbane, Dad had work there. We stayed at our Grandmothers housing commission house at Stafford Heights. With my cousins, & their Mother. First day of school, at Stafford Heights State School, Mum dressed me in the uniform, shoes on feet, Dad told me " no fighting, or you will get a flogging when you get home" . I had form.

Long story short, walked thru the gate, got confronted by what you would call a " bully" now, the conversation went like this- " What are you some kind of toff, wearing shoes? " reply, " no " , his reply," well cop this" . I picked myself up, with Dads words ringing in my ears [ he swung a mean belt] , when the cavalry arrived . My cousins. They could fight a bit.

Next thing , we were all in the Headmasters office. 6 cuts for all of them , 2 for me. When I questioned the 2 for me, Headmaster said " That's for not sticking up for you cousins ". I did not fight. I did after that. There were no bullys at our school. We looked after our mates. And the funny thing is, we all became mates, after a while. Besides, we had Stafford State School boys to fight. My experience? Academics complicate things, to the stage where it just becomes bull****. Bob

**Greatsouthernland** · 27th June 2014, 09:51 AM

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**tonic** · 27th April 2016, 05:52 PM

Using an old thread here, but it is relevant.

These are one type of production drilling rig and are the ones we use. They sit on level ground almost all the time and move on average 2.8 metres every 20 or so minutes to the next hole to be drilled. Today, a mines inspector wrote up one of the blokes and the owner because the bloke was not wearing his seatbelt. If you ever wondered why we have no money for infrastructure, well, we pay public servants to make sure your wearing a seatbelt in a machine that basically does not move.

**LandyAndy** · 27th April 2016, 08:47 PM

Our young bloke had an O WOW moment on the excavator the other week.He was loading gravel into trucks,it was disturbed ground pushed up by a dozer.The dirt gave way and he had to prop himself on the dirt in the loaded truck to stop his machine falling.
We coached him thru how to get out of it as it was his first time to soil his jocks this way.He was all ready to go and I noticed no seatbelt.Stopped him and made him put it on(we are always at him as a passenger in utes too),WHY,he says.
I pointed out he was operating with the door open,and if he ****ed it up he wouldnt be staying in that nice safe cab for very long.He went a tad more white on realising that he was actually in a pickle that was serious.He put the belt on and shut the door,but kept the front window open so he could hear us,(it has a ROPS/FOPS screen as we tree clear with it)
For a change the young bloke actually listened to the old blokes and recovered perfectly,we even got a thanks guys after

Ive had to recover in the digga once before when the world mooved,its not good fun.I think the young fella learnt heaps

Andrew

**tonic** · 28th April 2016, 03:59 AM

Yep, and we work on solid ground with no chance of any of that but because we have tracks we must all do the same work, great mindset hey.

**Homestar** · 28th April 2016, 04:50 AM

Yep, one rule for all. At work when working out in the yard or workshop, everyone has to wear gloves - no biggy, plenty of sites like that. You can walk from one office to the other along the designated pathways without gloves on. I've been in trouble more than once while doing this walk at our head office - it's a few hundred meters between the offices and more than once, as I've walked past a generator that has a door open flapping about in the breeze, I'll give it a push shut.

This results in the yard nazzis (what everyone calls them, not just me) filing an official safety conversation against me for 'operating plant without gloves'.

I reply that is closing a car door 'operating plant' - 'No, of course not' is the reply - I leave it at that and close the ticket out.

I've also had someone ask me why I didn't close the door on a pump while wLking past it 'because I don't have my gloves on' was the reply. 'It wouldn't have hurt to close it though, it's not like it's dangerous or anything'

You just can't win sometimes - I find it easier simply not to go over to that yard at all now...

**DoubleChevron** · 28th April 2016, 02:38 PM

Originally Posted by bob10

I shake my head when I hear about children with " anxiety " disorders. You can almost bet on it being a lack of confidence. If this is bought on by an abusive family environment, or indeed any other type of abuse, there is an army of counsellors, etc, that are trained to deal with it. However, I believe no amount of professional help will restore the young persons self esteem, or self confidence. This will follow them into adult life, with the result, I believe, that when confronted with a difficult situation, such as peer pressure to do the wrong thing, whether it be drugs, or criminal activity, they don't have the confidence to say no.

Some children , such as those smaller than average, just don't have self confidence. One of the oldest, and best , ways to grow confidence, and discipline, in the young , is some form of self defence classes. And, the best out of these, is, IMO, boxing. Properly trained, in a disciplined environment, children will grow in confidence , and learn to stand up for themselves. They are also taught self discipline.

Years ago, at school, I can't remember a bullying problem. Either the bully got sorted behind the sheds, or the teachers put the gloves on the protagonists, and had them fight it out behind the sheds. [ I can almost hear the do gooders falling off their chairs in shock !] Quite often, the fighters became mates. Obviously, it's a different country now. But I can't help feeling some of those people led into drugs by their overbearing peers may have fared better if they had the confidence to just say no.

Here is a web site that may help some young person. Bob

Welcome to the Official Boxing Queensland Website

Just my opinion, but I wouldn't let my kids do boxing .... Don't get me wrong, boxers would be some of the fittest, toughest, most agile people you will come across. I reckon there is something inherently stupid with any sport where the idea is to get punched in the head until someone falls down. Your taught to block with the big gloves and wear/"slide" punches to move in (if that makes sense). No way am I going to let my kids do such a thing. If your ever in trouble your not going to have big gloves for starters to block with.

I'd suggest any martial arts that teaches self defense (ie: anything except olympic sytle taekwondo)... I'll get a lot of people offside with this, but I think jujitsu is not much good as a self defense either ( even been fronted by only 1 person .... EVER ?? ). What is the point of taking someone down and cuddling them on the ground while all there mates kick the merde out of you

Pretty much every club will offer a lesson in there particular style for free. Go along and watch, I'd be looking for attitude of the instructor and students. You obviously don't want meatheads that must "win and kill at all costs

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My girls ( 9 and 11 ) have been practicing taekwondo for about 2 years (based on the traditional style, so nothing at all like the "olympic" one that is a sport). It's highly unlikely they would ever "fight" off an adult sized male would be attacker, however someone there own size and age at school. It's not going to happen.

I'd be in the principles office at the school within an hour because they'd hurt somoene (don't laugh, it's happened to one of the guys kids I train with... The school bully tried to punch his daughter ... that has also trained with our club for a couple of years .... it becomes muscle memory... instinctive... she blocked punch and struck back instantly). Yep the **** is sure to hit the fan.

seeya,
Shane L.

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