What is the point

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Originally Posted by mikehzz

My point was that indigenous people were not allowed to vote back then and yet people are implying it was a glorious age that has passed us by. How people could not be treated as people was a disgrace. I'm not far behind you age wise and can remember a massive drug problem called alcohol. There was a pub on every corner, men would go there after work every day and women weren't allowed in. Great times, pity they are gone. Not.

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You obviously lived in a different world to me. No one has said it was a glorious age, just that the World was different, more innocent, children could play out in the street until dark, Police & adults were respected. You seem to be saying that advances in social justice have made this country in to some kind of Nirvana. Yes, they have made it better, in the terms of equality, but this is not a better country than 50 years ago. No amount of spin will prove that. Bob

I'm well into the gen y myself, so in the nicest possible way, I don't have the life experience of others.
But I grew up in a community where you didn't lock the car or the doors, and where mum and the neighbours really did ask each other for eggs and flour.

I think we all lament things from the past, and like things about the present - but I feel there is a lack of respect and trust that dissappeared somewhere in the 90s.

As a teacher one poignant snippet for me is the fact that in 35 years we've gone from teaching Latin and Greek to teaching remedial English.....

I think the drug problem (which is way bigger than years gone by) is only a product of higher population density.

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Sitting around lamenting that society has gone down the toilet is either a gross insult to young people, or an admission of failure by those doing the lamenting. That doesn't stop every generation from doing it though. You have to wonder if there is any credence to it or if it is just old people crapping on. "Back in my day...."blah blah. Fair dinkum, we must be a fair way down the toilet by now. No, things are better now....they're crapping on for sure, in my opinion of course.

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Originally Posted by bob10

children could play out in the street until dark

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Now they wander the streets at night.

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Originally Posted by mikehzz

Firstly let me say, people love to have a whinge. Some people would whinge while having sex. I reckon things are way better now than say, 50 years ago. The crime rate is actually lower, the death rate from car accidents is lower, people live longer, almost everyone has an inside toilet...that's a good one..., the general level of wealth is way higher. I'm ordinary and I own 3 cars. My parents could barely afford one until they were pretty old. Overseas travel is very common because people can afford it. The standard of education is higher. Women have opportunities now. Indigenous people have representation...hell they are allowed to vote. They couldn't do that 50 years ago. I don't know what bull**** Australia the whingers have been living in before because it doesn't stand up to actual facts in my opinion.

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You are typical about what i have been saying. You have no sense of whats going on in this country. You think everything is measured in possessions. Wake up and smell the roses my friend before you will have to sell of all your possesions because the government has lost all our money. Think about other people before yourself.
If you think the standard of education is higher, then you are on the wrong planet. People who travel overseas need to see this country first. I have and i dont like what i see. Think why people go overseas, because its too expensive to travel here. I was in the UK last year where i bought a very large piece of pork for a bbq, it cost less than $20.00, how much is pork here, just an example. Travel to other countries and they will tell you this place is the most expensive to visit, why, because the governments over the years have not listened.

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Originally Posted by mikehzz

Sitting around lamenting that society has gone down the toilet is either a gross insult to young people, or an admission of failure by those doing the lamenting. That doesn't stop every generation from doing it though. You have to wonder if there is any credence to it or if it is just old people crapping on. "Back in my day...."blah blah. Fair dinkum, we must be a fair way down the toilet by now. No, things are better now....they're crapping on for sure, in my opinion of course.

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For your information I am not lamenting, I am concerned.
I do not know what happens in your case but in mine there is no failure, I have raised my two children with high moral values, give them education and show the right way in life and I do not claim sole credit for it, my parents teach me that way and his parents done the same with them.
Perhaps we, the ones with opposed view than yours have different values and for that reason you cannot appreciate our point of view.

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Originally Posted by mikehzz

Sitting around lamenting that society has gone down the toilet is either a gross insult to young people, or an admission of failure by those doing the lamenting. That doesn't stop every generation from doing it though. You have to wonder if there is any credence to it or if it is just old people crapping on. "Back in my day...."blah blah. Fair dinkum, we must be a fair way down the toilet by now. No, things are better now....they're crapping on for sure, in my opinion of course.

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Tell me what has happened to plain old respect, not only to yourself, but to others. People today seem to have forgotten about whats right and wrong and seem to care only about self. Yes in my day things were different, but people respected things, today it seems that the young dont or wont acceprt things and in fact seem to get angry when things dont go thier way. You can bring up your kids anyway you like, but once they get around others they seem to lack the will to stand up and be counted. If i did something wrong as kid, i knew i was in trouble, today it seems that parents want to blame everything but thier kids and wont accept or punish kids for thier wrong doing.

Are we down the crapper, not yet, but we will be if thoings and atittudes dont change soon.

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Originally Posted by Chucaro

Something to read:

Issues, Problems and Solutions in State Abolition,

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Interesting......(except the republic bit). :angel:

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Originally Posted by Greatsouthernland

Interesting......(except the republic bit). :angel:

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But has nothing to say about the simple fact that there is no credible mechanism for it to ever happen. (Creating a republic has a quite simple mechanism, but is unlikely to be achievable unless and until there is overwhelming public and bipartisan support for it)

There is a mechanism for creating more states, and an easier route to the outcome proposed would be to subdivide states until they effectively become "local", followed (or preceded) by abolition of local government, which, as I pointed out in an earlier post, is simple.

But all previous attempts to subdivide states have been failures, although I seem to remember a couple getting as far as a referendum that was unsuccessful.

John