Team Australia - this is who we are

UncleHo, that was a draconian totalitarian government with some laws that were agains the democratic principles (like the one that like to introduce the Tasmanian gov now)
In a non democratic situation like to ones that I know, in you case, you will be finish with the following punishment outcomes:

light: imprisonment for few months and tortured without any hope of defense or your relatives knowing where you are.

medium: as above but in jail or army camp for many years.

Strong: tortured then killed and your body will never be found.
of course, in the case of a woman raped, killedand if have children given then to families that are in special positions and want adopt a child.

That is a non democratic government but acceptable by western countries. :)

Long live the democracy in Australia :)
amen

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-08-2...visive/5691550

Interesting to see Malcolm Fraser dismiss Abbott's use of 'Team Australia' as an attempt to divide the country by implying that those who don't support his actions are not true Australians. Given that the LNP only received 45% of first preference votes at the last elections and their support has since fallen in the polls that would mean that the majority of Australians were not part of his Team Australia. I guess its just the old tactic of dictators who stir up hatred against a supposed enemy to cause people to overlook their faults and rally behnd them. Next thing he will be warning us to be wary of NZ!

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Who cares what old Spit & Dribble Frazer thinks. :censored:

The man was an arrogant bloody fool when in politics, and retirement certainly hasn't changed any of that. ;)

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Next thing he will be warning us to be wary of NZ!

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So he should be... be very afraid of the same contagion in our democratic system over in your system. Have you noticed the state of our politics and democracy lately..?



Google "#Whaledump" "Nicky Hager" "Cameron Slater" "#Dirtypolitics" and read on.

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Europeans have been trying to solve the Aboriginal " problem " since 1788. Hasn't worked yet. Great idea to take the people off their land, and put different tribal groups together, on what could be only called reservations, a la indigenous Americans. The only people qualified to make Aboriginal problems solvable, are educated indigenous leaders. Short on the ground, at the moment. but enough to make a difference. I know some would condemn certain remote Indigenous communities over child abuse , & violence , I can't see any difference to mainstream Australia, with the evidence from a couple of enquiries atm, Catholic Church, any one? State child institutions, any one?


To call this an aboriginal problem, highlights a persons mindset , straight away. It is an Australian problem. No worse than " mainstream " Australia , just easier to see. And easy to use the term, Aboriginal, as an excuse. Bob


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Well they could get interested in solving their own problems (again :angel: ) Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Commission - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

But you can read how that turned out and most likely would again...they need a united front (women and men disagree on leadership, see ref 3. In above). Too many 'clans' or 'tribes' and as with multiple land claims through the native title system, too many opinions that can't reach compromise. But that's all I've read and remembered, sadly I've got no answers so will leave it to Chuck and Bob to sort out :D

Edit: Yes Bob, I've had first hand experience, last century and this one. I also hate racism, so don't even misinterpret, 3 languages in my clan :)

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Well they could get interested in solving their own problems (again :angel: ) Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Commission - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

But you can read how that turned out and most likely would again...they need a united front (women and men disagree on leadership, see ref 3. In above). Too many 'clans' or 'tribes' and as with multiple land claims through the native title system, too many opinions that can't reach compromise. But that's all I've read and remembered, sadly I've got no answers so will leave it to Chuck and Bob to sort out :D

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I don't have to read Wiki. My Grandmother was part aboriginal, my Great Grandmother full blood. I have been, in the territory, to Docker River, Papunya, Yuendamu. I have seen Bagot Road, at its worst. I have been to places that make my blood boil, where black people disgrace themselves. I have also seen people & places where black people stand tall, as good as any. Your off the cuff remarks are what has come to be expected of mainstream Australia. Give the native people a chance, they will sort the problem out. It's a long time down the track, though. Bob

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Who cares what old Spit & Dribble Frazer thinks. :censored:

The man was an arrogant bloody fool when in politics, and retirement certainly hasn't changed any of that. ;)

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He wasn't perfect, but he was a real small-l liberal, unlike the current mob of extreme conservatives, and he was quite successful as PM. He's since left the Liberal Party in disgust at their tilt to the Right, so I think he provides an interesting perspective.

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I don't have to read Wiki. My Grandmother was part aboriginal, my Great Grandmother full blood. I have been, in the territory, to Docker River, Papunya, Yuendamu. I have seen Bagot Road, at its worst. I have been to places that make my blood boil, where black people disgrace themselves. I have also seen people & places where black people stand tall, as good as any. Your off the cuff remarks are what has come to be expected of mainstream Australia. Give the native people a chance, they will sort the problem out. It's a long time down the track, though. Bob

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Well I'm not surprised at that rant Bob, I've actually "lived" in those places you've 'visited', Off the cuff remarks, you couldn't be further 'off the mark'. I've been under management imposed curfew to stay out of harms way when the outback has witnessed some dumb acts. It doesn't get sorted out by the lot you say should, there's little respect that I've seen for elders.

I've been privileged to live next door to an elder in WA, she was the nicest Aboriginal I've met. I've worked with teams of Aboriginals in Qld Boulia and even a manager in WA who was part Aboriginal.

My best mate at boarding school was Aboriginal.

My brother was nearly beaten to a pulp by one when we were in primary school. My grandfathers farm had canoe trees on the river bank. My grandfather even had ... oh whatever, I'm at LEAST as qualified as you to make a remark. So as I said :p it is what it is.

Good luck with your own issues Bob, my observations are nothing to do with you, but jeez mate don't think you are the only one who's seen the real picture :angel:

PS You brought it up, btw, they always will be given the chance, but while we are waiting ... how about for the health of the kids and to protect the culture, that you remain open to the idea of the learning centre idea you linked?

No, I must admit I haven't. Sorry... Can you summarize what we in Australia A, Australia B or Others have to fear?

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Well I'm not surprised at that rant Bob, I've actually "lived" in those places you've 'visited', Off the cuff remarks, you couldn't be further 'off the mark'. I've been under management imposed curfew to stay out of harms way when the outback has witnessed some dumb acts. It doesn't get sorted out by the lot you say should, there's little respect that I've seen for elders.

I've been privileged to live next door to an elder in WA, she was the nicest Aboriginal I've met. I've worked with teams of Aboriginals in Qld Boulia and even a manager in WA who was part Aboriginal.

My best mate at boarding school was Aboriginal.

My brother was nearly beaten to a pulp by one when we were in primary school. My grandfathers farm had canoe trees on the river bank. My grandfather even had ... oh whatever, I'm at LEAST as qualified as you to make a remark. So as I said :p it is what it is.

Good luck with your own issues Bob, my observations are nothing to do with you, but jeez mate don't think you are the only one who's seen the real picture :angel:

PS You brought it up, btw, they always will be given the chance, but while we are waiting ... how about for the health of the kids and to protect the culture, that you remain open to the idea of the learning centre idea you linked?

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Well, at least we are discussing the subject without prejudice. I've grown up with it. Yes, the picture changes with the environment. The wilder the environment, the wilder the picture. It would not be exaggerating to say the Aboriginal " problem " is the white mans doing. The only way it will be sorted, IMO, is when enough Aboriginal people are educated to a level where they can make a difference. Just to reiterate how difficult it can be, my mate was administrator [ for want of a better word] at Docker River, where a couple of different tribal groups were settled by the Government. One young man ran off with a young girl from the other skin group, I think it is called. The only police were from Alice Springs, or Giles, in WA. I believe. All he could do was report , and document proceedings. The young man was speared in the leg. This happened about 2 years ago.
Yep, horror stories abound, but no more than in the mainstream community. Aboriginal people do not need pity, or white do gooders with white solutions. just my opinion, and I have been wrong before. Back in about 1956, I think. :p BTW, my mate from Docker River said the happiest & most stable aboriginal people from the Docker River area were those who left the small township & lived in their own little settlements, self regulated. Bob Just a good news story if you are not aware.



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