The Chilean Schindlers list

Allende was elected, he was deposed due to the difficult conditions the people were having to live in. Some of those difficulties were as a result of the USA imposing sanctions. The conditions were difficult there were shortages of some of the basic things, people marched out into the streets and defied the police and military to take over, these people marching were mothers and wives beating on their empty cooking pots. The people that held a socialist president up as a Messiah were not pleased. Why the right wing military disappeared people I don't fully understand other than it was akin to a civil war. Were the curfews and restrictions of movement necessary? Some would agree that it is one way to stabilise a country when there are people within that would overturn the regime that is in power. Others would see this simply as suppressing the people into accepting the new order.

Whichever way you think things happen particularly when people are prepared to use violence to achieve their goals.

Chile has usually being one of the most cosmopolitan South American countries with the rule of law and democracy as strong corner stones of society, before Pinochet and hopefully after. Even without oil like some other countries in South America the economy has been ok, probably due to the lawful society and stability of governments unlike some of it's neighbours where government can change two or three times within one year.

Chucaro, not sure that the socialist ideals are ever going to be more than an ideal. I would hate to have had to live in Eastern Europe after the WWII and Russia does not look that attractive at the moment.

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Originally Posted by PhilipA

Chucaro, you know that comments like that to the 'reasonable man" would imply that I am in that category.
When you play the man rather than the issue you have already lost the debate.
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Regards Philip A

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Have you read my posts, have you try to analyze what was my live experience under that regimens by reading my posts?
If yes and understood them, then yes, I played the man without any kind of reservations what so ever in the same manner that a gypsies or any other victims of the Nazis will respond to any person that defends Hitler :mad:
Your luck of sensitivity does not leave any room for a debate. :mad:


You got it now?

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Originally Posted by slug_burner

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Chucaro, not sure that the socialist ideals are ever going to be more than an ideal. I would hate to have had to live in Eastern Europe after the WWII and Russia does not look that attractive at the moment.

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Forget about socialists or extreme right ideas, the issue in Chile, Uruguay, Brasil and other Latin American countries were oppression to a level that people say NO MORE!
In some of the countries elected a government and it was removed by force in the case of Chile and in others the people protested and the constitution was not respected by the governments declaring a dictatorship.
I am not and never like communism and in Uruguay communism never have any political influence.
There were 2 big parties back then like here in Australia and in both people on the moderate left and others in the right.
The extreme right took over in the party in government and then the rest was history.
When you talk about socialism, remember Brasil, since the last 2 socialists governments more than 35 million people are out of poverty but there is heaps more to be done to repair the damage done to the lower classes after more than 100 years ruling by extreme right, dictators or the army.

Cheers

I don't know how much oppression played a role in Chile. I suspect that if you are one of the have nots you will feel oppressed. One of the basic problems of society is to keep everyone feeling like they have an opportunity to improve their situation. Once people feel that they have no hope it is easy for them to be subverted into action including violence.