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    More Landys unreliable myths in 4WD Action

    I was pleased to see an impressive Defender included in the latest 4WD Action's 'Best used tourers under $30k' feature, until I actually read it.
    Once again, some lazy writer has just recycled the same old same old unreliability myth. The excuse given was that the particular Defender had a leaky airbox after having just had a head rebuild. According to the yarn, that meant that 'the Defender's reliability is the one cloud that hangs over it.'
    What a load of illogical garbage! Think about that for a minute. It has had some work done and there was a little airbox leak. How does that prove anything about reliability? Its a workmanship maintenance issue.
    Every single motor vehicle in the world needs maintenance and the quality of that work affects its reliability - every single vehicle.
    The in-built bias of the writer's thinking is reinforced by contrasting it with another report in the same magazine about their Hervey Bay trip which reveals that Shaun's 60 series had not one, not two, but three major issues in the three days of the trip. The issues were: his alternator died; the 60 broke a CV; it sheared off the hub bolts and threw a rear axle out the side. So, three major issues, all more serious than the Defender's airbox leak.
    So, where were the statements in that story about 60 series being unreliable? There were none. Why? Because breakages on old trucks don't prove anything about reliability. They're just old trucks and things break. However, you can bet, if Shaun had been driving a Defender, there would have been repeated comments about Land Rovers being unreliable, but because he's in a Toyota, not a word was said. Talk about embedded bias.
    I thought about emailing the magazine, but I know they wouldn't admit their bias because they probably can't even see it, and they wouldn't print the critical letter anyway, so I'm posting it here. I've come down with the flu overnight, and I'm feeling particularly grumpy, so that's end of my rant. Off to make a late breakfast.
    Cheerio.
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    I have stopped reading their magazine. I am still subscribed though, i do enjoy the DVDs with the short hairy bloke in the SWB Patrol.

    I have been subscribed for years, even wrote a travel article or two for them a while back. When their boss (Charles Vella) bought into the 4x4 accessory industry the magazine took a bad turn.

    A lot of their comparos used to be a good read. As soon as they owned products that were in competition with the likes of ARB, TJM etc. The comparo articles stopped. They didn't want their cheap products embarrassed by the better quality Australian products.

    They seem to hate anything without a 26 inch lift, 60inch tyres and a Toymota or Nissan badge. It really shows how little they really know.

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    I'm sure Shaun & the crew write those reports, just to get a giggle out of the outrage expressed on Land Rover forums . Let's face it they make their living from Toyota, & Nissan. Knocking Land Rovers, brain washing punters who spend a lot of money on their [ jap.] vehicles, keeps them in a job. I feel sorry for them, because they will never know, will they ? Bob
    I’m pretty sure the dinosaurs died out when they stopped gathering food and started having meetings to discuss gathering food

    A bookshop is one of the only pieces of evidence we have that people are still thinking

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    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoMick View Post
    I've come down with the flu overnight, and I'm feeling particularly grumpy
    No ****! I hear you. Had a flu for 10 days then back at work a week to then come down with a common cold...

    Equal parts single malt scotch, lemon juice and very hot water with a blob of honey and a pinch of cayenne pepper. Stir. Sip till gone and start again.

    Worked for me a few weeks ago, got a very nice warm doze going and sorted the foul mood at the same time. Your mileage may vary...

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    Regarding 4wd action!
    When Jamie ( jts) was on the show, they use to poke fun at him at any chance they could about land rovers. But what the DID NOT show was the numerous recoveries, and in some cases Jamie's defender 130 towing these jokers with camper trailers through serious 4wd tracks due to their vehicle either being incapable or broken! Makes me laugh, but at the end of the day they can put what they want on their show! Hence the reason for Roothy and Jamie to not be apart of 4 wd action any more. These guys want to keep things real, and stick to what works, not just say it does on the camera coz they have to ! Go the landy's

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    Yes, I know. I'm seriously considering whether to renew my subscription or not. There are alternatives I could support.
    Don't these people realise it just undermines their reputation when they print myths recycled by lazy writers who apparently have little personal knowledge and just fill the space with stuff they've heard? People who know the truth just shake their heads.
    Jamie's Defenders were the stars of the DVDs he appeared in, but I assume he wasn't prepared to keep putting money into the trips.

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    I stopped buying the mag 12 months or so ago,got boring.You can only see so many nissotas with bull bar,winch and 33's.Bought one of their pumps which was highly reccomended,projecta typhoon.Within a couple of months the guage stopped working,you have to hold the tyre clip on by hand or it just leaks,and pumping up a 32 from about 20 psi [had a slow leak],the fuse holder melted.Also went through some of their hervey bay trip near lenthalls dam,that is about 8 kays north of maryborough!No way near hervey bay!They can't even get the location right.

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    This article I'm whingeing about is an example of how they recycle so many ideas every 12 months or so. How many 'Toyotas are great' raves does one have to read in a lifetime?

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    I hate I 'built' my TRUCK. No, Toyota, Nissan, Land Rover or other corporation built your vehicle; you customised / modified it, sometimes illegally. With a uhf, bars, tyres and a lift. What's that - it has a new audio system - WOW. AND you put a new exhaust on it. And more screens than mission control. Can't see through the windscreen but why would you want to do that anyway? this is unbelievable- no wonder its in the magazine. But yes, most of them are in deed TRUCKS, especially the old, crappy 4wds that they worship. And have modified with more modern vehicle brakes, steering, engine, gearbox, lights, suspension, seats etc. Just like the grandfather's axe. Btw: I call my Disco a car or vehicle, as it doesn't drive like a truck.
    And who cares what the people in the magazine do/drive/eat. Just lazy. And they can't give solid advice on anything younger than 1990.
    Look, a hill - could be tricky. A muddy section (that the support vehicle/s has already gotten through/ around)- we got bogged. The funniest one was when they didn't take the road that was in view and couldn't make the exit plus had a breakdown. Wtf? Finally get to a fantastic view/ destination - don't want to show that.

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    Coming from the Toyota Darkside (& I still own one + a little Zook), I guess I had my blinkers on and didn't think too much about Landrovers & I was aware of all the comments about them too... until my cousin bought a '97 Disco and took me for a drive in it..... That little drive changed my opinion and put me on the road to research them and eventually find and buy my 1st Disco. I'm still very green to the whole LR thing but so far I'm enjoying driving it and learning more about them & how they work....... I'm now on the receiving end of these comments, just today, I went out on a day run with my Zook club & when I rocked up the 1st comment was "Don't worry, Joe Bloggs has his full tool kit ready for u to call on when needed". I just smiled and kept my comments to myself..... Later on that day we stopped for lunch at a lake and this old fella rocks up in what was a "2-day" old Defender.... It was interesting to watch some of the guys look at it and ask questions, etc. It was my 1st time/chance to see a new Defender up close and I must say, I was impressed. If u were wanting a good "basic" reliable touring vehicle, than this was it.... I came away actually considering one as a future touring vehicle....but I was disappointed to hear that they are stopped being made as of next year so the fella told me Even the NEW price sounded reasonable....
    I asked about electronics in them and what happens if u get stuck in a deep river crossing, etc. He told me what a lot of the forum guys do and it sounded like a easy solution....

    Anyhow, I hate to say it, but I could go a defender as a remote tourer some time down the track.... if they turn out to be reliable in the long run as 2nd hand will be my only option.....

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