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Originally Posted by korg20000bc

No way. It was always a nationalist conflict. It just so happens that the Republic of Ireland is almost exclusively Roman Catholic and Northern Ireland, being a country of Great Britain, was diversely Protestant.

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Where did you get that history book?

The whole of Ireland was occupied by the English and land confiscated from the Irish (mostly Catholic) and granted to English protestant aristocrats or as reward for service of the King. There was then a subsequent migration of English Protestants to the whole of Ireland.

Many of the Irish convicts transported to Australia were not thieves nor robbers but were Catholic Irish republican activists (Fenians) transported for "sedition" against the Crown.

The Fenians or the Irish Republican Brotherhood gradualy became the IRA. After the Easter rising during WW1 and subsequent there was the partition of Ireland into the Irish Free State (mostly Catholic) managed as an autonomous "state" under the Crown of the UK and the county of Ulster or Northern Ireland which was mostly Protestant. The Irish Free State became Ireland but Ulster remained part of the Union with England. The troubles were that Irish republicans disagreed with the partitioning of Ulster. The Protestants wanted to remain part of the UK.

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Originally Posted by Lotz-A-Landies

Many of the Irish convicts transported to Australia were not thieves nor robbers but were Catholic Irish republican activists (Fenians) transported for "sedition" against the Crown.

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so if we twist words, australia was founded by terrorists :)

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Originally Posted by Eevo

so if we twist words, australia was founded by terrorists :)

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And pick-pockets, thieves, whores, and protestant soldiers! :o

(But then again modern Israel was also founded by terrorists, and Zimbabwe, East Timor, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Chad, ......)

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Originally Posted by Lotz-A-Landies

And pick-pockets, thieves, whores, and protestant soldiers! :o

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oh god, im living in a criminal nation!

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Originally Posted by Lotz-A-Landies

Where did you get that history book?

The whole of Ireland was occupied by the English and land confiscated from the Irish (mostly Catholic) and granted to English protestant aristocrats or as reward for service of the King. There was then a subsequent migration of English Protestants to the whole of Ireland.

Many of the Irish convicts transported to Australia were not thieves nor robbers but were Catholic Irish republican activists (Fenians) transported for "sedition" against the Crown.

The Fenians or the Irish Republican Brotherhood gradualy became the IRA. After the Easter rising during WW1 and subsequent there was the partition of Ireland into the Irish Free State (mostly Catholic) managed as an autonomous "state" under the Crown of the UK and the county of Ulster or Northern Ireland which was mostly Protestant. The Irish Free State became Ireland but Ulster remained part of the Union with England. The troubles were that Irish republicans disagreed with the partitioning of Ulster. The Protestants wanted to remain part of the UK.

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Thankyou. You made my point exactly.
The conflict is political rather than religious in nature.

The goals of the IRA had nothing to do with religion.

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Originally Posted by korg20000bc

Thankyou. You made my point exactly.
The conflict is political rather than religious in nature.

The goals of the IRA had nothing to do with religion.

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Except that the Republicans were almost exclusively Catholic with continuous attachment to the land of "Ireland" and the Unionists almost exclusively Protestant with English heritage only a couple or three of hundred years ago.

Very much like the Jewish Israeli's and the Muslim Palestinians. It may be about land and the control of that land by "European Jewry" over the dispossessed "Palestinian Muslims" however the distinction gets lost whether its land or religion as each makes an excuse for the other.

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Originally Posted by korg20000bc

No way. It was always a nationalist conflict. It just so happens that the Republic of Ireland is almost exclusively Roman Catholic and Northern Ireland, being a country of Great Britain, was diversely Protestant.

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Perhaps you should have a good read of what I said. ;)

I never claimed that the irish conflict was anything but a nationalist issue. But it cannot be argued that the opposing sides to the conflict were basically Roman Catholics and Protestants. My comment was simply to point out that at the time, the vast majority of Australians were also either Roman Catholics or Protestants - and given that, there was less likelihood of either side being "demonised" for want of a better word by the Australian population based on the religious affilliation of the two opposing sides in Ireland.

As opposed to current events, where the actions of a small minority of a religion are resulting in "demonisation" of the rest of the same religion, at least in part due to the fact that the religion concerned is followed by only a very small minority of the Australian population.

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Originally Posted by korg20000bc

The goals of the IRA had nothing to do with religion.

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The goals of the people behind most if not all conflicts has little if anything to do with religion. ;)

Some people choose to use religion - or their twisted interpretation of it - to encourage others to join their cause or to justify their actions.

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Originally Posted by BMKal

Perhaps you should have a good read of what I said. ;)

I never claimed that the irish conflict was anything but a nationalist issue. But it cannot be argued that the opposing sides to the conflict were basically Roman Catholics and Protestants. My comment was simply to point out that at the time, the vast majority of Australians were also either Roman Catholics or Protestants - and given that, there was less likelihood of either side being "demonised" for want of a better word by the Australian population based on the religious affilliation of the two opposing sides in Ireland.

As opposed to current events, where the actions of a small minority of a religion are resulting in "demonisation" of the rest of the same religion, at least in part due to the fact that the religion concerned is followed by only a very small minority of the Australian population.



The goals of the people behind most if not all conflicts has little if anything to do with religion. ;)

Some people choose to use religion - or their twisted interpretation of it - to encourage others to join their cause or to justify their actions.

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I'm sorry, I misread your comment.

I apologise.

I think the discussion of where the conflicts in Ireland came from are quite irrelevant to the point of my comment. The simple fact is that the Protestant majority of Australians regarded Catholics in much the same way that many Australians today regard Muslims - in both cases it was/is on the basis of religion.

And my further point is that a couple of generations later, we look back on this and wonder what the fuss was about. I expect the same will apply to Muslims in a couple of generations. I do not see Muslims taking over Australia any more than the Catholic takeover my father and grandfather feared!

I could have talked about the position of some other minorities, such as the Australian Chinese, or, as some have sort of raised, the Aboriginals; but they are not distinguished on the basis of religion, but mainly colour, so the Catholic comparison was more apt. And it should be pointed out that not by any means all Catholics were/are Irish - none of the families in the street I grew up in were; I think they were two English and one Italian.

John