Thread: Diesel Quad.. Anyone got one of these?

Originally Posted by loanrangie

Simon, do they have a turbo on them - plenty of scope for power increase if they dont .

Just googled and they dont, now how small a turbo can you get.

Funny you should mention that... They don't, but there's a guy in the US that I've been chatting to who is putting together a kit to turbo intercool them! That will be happening!! Mitsu TD02 is the turbo that's used.... Here's a pic!

Originally Posted by garrycol

I did a google and couldn't find the answer - so what is their power and revs, and engine layout - aircooled or water cooled.

A nice diesel would go well in the back of my Haflinger. But if it can only do 60kph in ATV format I guess it does not a have a lot of power.

Cheers

Garry

Hi Garry. If you Google Arctic Cat Australia, then click on ATV's. Scroll down until you find the 700 Super Duty Diesel. Click on the image and the spec will appear.
They are fitted with a water cooled Lombardini twin cylinder diesel that's just under 700cc. That's linked to a selectable gearbox via a Vario belt. Selectable 2/4wd whilst on the move, and diff locks front and back! 20 litre diesel tank with huge range. Not huge on 'get up and go' but certainly usable. They're $13000 new, but I've found an 08yr Cat badged as a Massey Ferguson with 800hrs on it in Europe for $6000.. Still deciding so going to have a look at one innBordertown on Sat!

Originally Posted by carjunkieanon

Does anyone make diesel lawnmower/whippersnipper/blower/generator etc?
Just curious.

You can get small ride on mowers in diesel i think they generally run Kubota engines but there pretty expensive, as far as i know there isn't any diesel whipper snippers or blowers and as for generators i think there is quite a few of them but there up around the 8kva mark.

Originally Posted by nat_89

You can get small ride on mowers in diesel i think they generally run Kubota engines but there pretty expensive, as far as i know there isn't any diesel whipper snippers or blowers and as for generators i think there is quite a few of them but there up around the 8kva mark.

Yeah, I sell Kubota's, and the smallest is a 3 cylinder 18hp diesel found in the B and BX series of tractors/mowers. There is a ride on with the same engine but as nat_89 says, they're not cheep. The petrol powered Zero Turn is a great buy tho!

Originally Posted by loanrangie

Simon, do they have a turbo on them - plenty of scope for power increase if they dont .

Just googled and they dont, now how small a turbo can you get.

From my discussions with Dougal IRC the smallest turbo available would be good for a 600cc+ diesel.

So yes

Originally Posted by isuzurover

From my discussions with Dougal IRC the smallest turbo available would be good for a 600cc+ diesel.

So yes

That was the Garrett GT0632SZ that I crunched the numbers for as it was smallest and still way too big for 400cc. I can't recall the TD02 specs, there is also the IHI RHB31 or something like it.

700cc could be worth it.

Originally Posted by carjunkieanon

Does anyone make diesel lawnmower/whippersnipper/blower/generator etc?
Just curious.

The smallest diesel engines are those used for powering model aircraft... some of them have a reasonable displacement and would probably operate a blower. Noise suppression might be an issue however.

Originally Posted by Hoges

The smallest diesel engines are those used for powering model aircraft... some of them have a reasonable displacement and would probably operate a blower. Noise suppression might be an issue however.

If you are talking about the compression ignition engines that run on a mixture of kero and ether, then they are not diesels and poor Rudolph would be turning in his grave.

In his own words:

“It is often asserted without hesitation by the laity even in scientific circles that the important point of the Diesel process is the self-ignition of the fuel; and that the object of the high compression is that the fuel, injected at dead centre, shall ignite itself, the high degree of compression being demanded by this self ignition.
Nothing is more incorrect than this superficial view, which is directly contrary to the facts and especially to the historical development (of the idea).

Motors with self-ignition of the fuel had existed before. Neither in my patents or my writings did I mention self-ignition as a goal to be sought. I was seeking a process with the highest heat efficiency, as it turned out; self-ignition was naturally involved in this. If the air is heated by compression to a point far above the ignition point of the fuel, the ignition of the fuel in contact with this air follows automatically; but it is not the object of this high compression. Self-ignition of every liquid or vaporised fuel within an engine already heated by work takes place at quite low pressure, of 5-10 or at most 15 Atmospheres. It would thus be much simpler to construct lighter and cheaper engines for these degrees of compression, and overcome the difficulty of ignition in a cold engine by employing artificial ignition temporarily. It would be absurd merely for the sake of ignition when the machine is cold to construct such heavy and unhandy engines to withstand a pressure of 30-40 Atmospheres, since, once the engines are warmed by work, they run quite as satisfactorily under lower pressures, as has often been shown by experiment.

The object of the system, sought through many long years and realised with such difficulty, is however quite different, namely the attainment of the highest possible fuel efficiency; this object necessitates highly compressed air. Since, however, this produces self-ignition much too soon in the fuel mixed with the air, therefore self-ignition by compression as it was known in the gas engines of those days was an obstacle to the process and had to be avoided in that form. It was necessary that the air alone should be so highly compressed by mechanical means as to give the desired heat efficiency.

The degree of this compression is determined not by the ignition of the fuel but, corresponding to the original object, by the maximum utilization of the fuel.”