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    Oncoming vehicle etiquette question

    I was wondering what is the acceptable solution to the following scenarios.

    In both cases the track is too narrow to allow both vehicles to pass.

    Scenario 1.
    Your scrambling up a steep rocky or slippery track and 3/4 of the way up you spot a 4WD heading down the same track. Out of safety you both stop. Who gives way? Is it correct etiquette to reverse down to a suitable place where the oncoming 4WD can pass because it's easier for both?

    Scenario 2.
    Your travelling along a narrow track which is only undulating and approach an oncoming 4WD. There is no way to pass. Who reverses to find a spot that both can get past? Do you first talk to find out who should reverse?

    What do you do in both cases?

    Chris

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    in my case i would just drive up the bank to let him past [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif[/img]
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    Its a hard one as each track is different. But it is easier to put it in low range and slowly ease down than up i would have thought, or who ever is closest to the end of the tricky section.


    As for the other one, who ever is closest to a section wide enough to let two vehicles pass.

    When i bought the disco, we took it out to a secluded section of bush to test low range etc. We were driving in this bit where the locals had driven star pickets into the ground everywhere to stop idiots driving off the track. We were crossing this section which was barely wide enough for one vehicle let alone two. We were metres from the end when a guy in a triton drove on he didnt even stop he just kept at me forcing me bacwards. He only had to back up a few metres to the end and let me out, instead i had to back up and pull off the road avoiding hidden star posts. The moral to this story, often its the guy with the most manners who gives way (ie the guy in the LR) Matt
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    common sense also helps
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    It’s “common sense”.

    That is the excuse often used in the negative.

    Common sense in this instance (and dare I say in many other situations) is a matter of imagination.

    Generally speaking the climber has the right of way because they will need the momentum and a reverse will be difficult.

    Whenever you drive imagine that someone might be coming the other way? What would you do in their shoes?

    So you remember the places you have driven past that can be reversed to.

    How steep and how slippery? Imagine that you’re coming the other way.

    It’s called defensive driving.

    Not often practised or thought about.

    Skill, judgement, experience and etiquette. Often lacking.

    Driving in low range can be tiring and more demanding than the drive to work.
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    [quote=one_iota]It’s “common sense”.

    That is the excuse often used in the negative.

    Common sense in this instance (and dare I say in many other situations) is a matter of imagination.

    Generally speaking the climber has the right of way because they will need the momentum and a reverse will be difficult.

    Whenever you drive imagine that someone might be coming the other way? What would you do in their shoes?

    So you remember the places you have driven past that can be reversed to.

    How steep and how slippery? Imagine that you’re coming the other way.

    It’s called defensive driving.

    Not often practised or thought about.

    Skill, judgement, experience and etiquette. Often lacking.

    [b]<span style="color:darkred">Driving in low range can be tiring and more demanding than the drive to work</span>

    I must have the Pregio in low range cause after completing 10000k's in a month I'm bloody tired, clincally know as white line syndrome 8O

    I say give the other guy the bird Taxi style and keep on keeping on, so what if he thinks your a rude prat tell him to forward his complaint in writting to someone who gives a toss

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    Re: Oncoming vehicle etiquette question

    Originally posted by PCH
    I was wondering what is the acceptable solution to the following scenarios.

    In both cases the track is too narrow to allow both vehicles to pass.

    Scenario 1.
    Your scrambling up a steep rocky or slippery track and 3/4 of the way up you spot a 4WD heading down the same track. Out of safety you both stop. Who gives way? Is it correct etiquette to reverse down to a suitable place where the oncoming 4WD can pass because it's easier for both?

    Scenario 2.
    Your travelling along a narrow track which is only undulating and approach an oncoming 4WD. There is no way to pass. Who reverses to find a spot that both can get past? Do you first talk to find out who should reverse?

    What do you do in both cases?

    Chris

    it is easier for two vehicles to go down hill than to stop and try reverse....depending on how steep it is.

    part two....you stop and see who saw a spot wide enough to pass and then work out which was closer.


    now if either one happens to be dragging a trailer of any description i would say they have priority in continuing in a forward direction.
    if both have trailers ....it would be a good spot to set up camp.

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    Hmmm, tuff one this - as i have been in this sitch a couple of times on old fire-trail runs up near Seal Rocks (NSW)...

    Considering my little beast has several tree brush scratches along the side of it most times (and it's so small - being a Suzuki and all) - I'd climb the bank, let them go past and if - (and God help me, IF they DONT acknowledge the kind gesture from me) then.........
    Damn straight, they'd get <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>the bird Taxi style [/b][/quote] (ta Jason)
    and I'd remember them for later on

    But, yes, common sense would be my prefered choice of action, stop, look around and see who can 'back off' closer/quicker - though most people just dont have any :roll: - esp when running around off road doing 60km/h through blind spots :roll: :x ............(ahhh, hilbilly's ya gotta love em' 8O )


    Cheers
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    I always work on the rule that the person who is climbing the steep narrow section HAS to reverse down as it is always easier. I can't imagine trying to reverse up a steep slope, gearing would be a question, while it's much easier and safer to reverse down in a controlled manner. Reversing uphill has to be harder cause you wont be able to see much (due to the angle of the vehicle).

    In the other case it can only be the most curtious of the two drivers or the one with the least vehicles behind him/her.

    Just my thoughts

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    Well,

    If it is a difficult asscent or descent, then a spotter should always be deployed or at least a recee of the track warranted, but I know that isnt always possible.

    And as it seems our recreation becomes more popular and accessable by the uninformed majority this sort of thing is going to start causing friction and possible accidents caused by the "cowboy" factor that we are starting to see around the place, you know the type, they have the mentality to sumise that because they have a 6" lift and 36" tyres and all the other tuff gear that they know it all and should have right of way to the "lesser" travellers of that track.

    It does really come down to common sense and courtesy, both of which they seem to lack. This mindset need to be discouraged and it is a byproduct of our sheep like following of the US, once upon a time offroaders were a close linked family and very obliging of each other regardless of vehicle type and level of fittout, now like everything else if your truck aint a mini monster truck you are seen as inferior and out of touch.

    Thank god that most LR owners are a breed apart from this and our commradarie see's us as courtious fair minded types, and all we can do is try and spread the word on common sense and courtesy.

    As my grandmother used to say "you will always catch more fly's with honey than you will with vinegar"

    The end of my ranting!


    Regards Glen.

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