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    When we were in Darwin, I had the luck to go on a trip, with the military, police , customs, national park rangers, the idea being part of the territory each year , or two, is visited by groups of people armed with survey forms, asking about fuel carried, machinery & plant on site, etc. The information is kept on file on a computer in Canberra, so that if a force had to be sent up that way, any time of year, the whereabouts of fuel, workshops, water, etc, would be on hand. One place we went, the cattleman [ a local legend, apparently], had broken his back, and his wife was running the show. We did the interview at his bedside.


    He told us of a water source that had not dried up in living memory, according to the local aborigine's. We went for a look, there was a small circle of trees, and a rock outcrop, with a small hole, and old ladder. Going down, we entered what was a large cave, with a pool of sweet cool water at one end. A sample was taken, not sure where it was sent, but word came back it was pure as. One of the boffins from Canberra informed us that the water came down from New Guinea, under the sea, into a massive artesian basin in the north of NT. Don't know about that, but its been there a while.


    I don't believe we should rob the artesian basin of water, it relies on a reliable rainfall, to replenish. A couple of bad seasons, and once its gone, its gone. Far better to harvest the monsoon rainfall that goes out to sea, not all of it, I believe industries such as prawning & fisheries rely on that periodic flooding . A couple of more Ord River schemes, in the right places, perhaps? Bob
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    yes Bob, thats Twiggy Forests idea.

    everyone jumped up and down because he was going to use chinese money and let them cultivate some land in exchange.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ramblingboy42 View Post
    yes Bob, thats Twiggy Forests idea.

    everyone jumped up and down because he was going to use chinese money and let them cultivate some land in exchange.

    I thought Twiggy was going to harvest the groundwater, and rely on the wet season to replenish it. Although, I didn't pay close attention to his scheme. Bob
    I’m pretty sure the dinosaurs died out when they stopped gathering food and started having meetings to discuss gathering food

    A bookshop is one of the only pieces of evidence we have that people are still thinking

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    yes it was something along those lines.

    I grew up in Broken Hill and sometimes when we went dry we had water brought in by rail tankers.

    I've seen the two reservoirs dry and the Menindee Lakes dry and the Darling River dry all at the same time.

    Its harsh country when it turns it on , but we got by.

    I don't know the logistics of carting water by train but I think the combined mines paid a lot of the costs involved.

    The city probably couldn't afford to do it now.

    It's not that long since I drove down the Silver City Highway and saw lakes I didn't know existed.

    What a country......and I love it.....I'm going out into it tomorrow for a couple of weeks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ramblingboy42 View Post
    yes it was something along those lines.

    I grew up in Broken Hill and sometimes when we went dry we had water brought in by rail tankers.

    I've seen the two reservoirs dry and the Menindee Lakes dry and the Darling River dry all at the same time.

    Its harsh country when it turns it on , but we got by.

    I don't know the logistics of carting water by train but I think the combined mines paid a lot of the costs involved.

    The city probably couldn't afford to do it now.

    It's not that long since I drove down the Silver City Highway and saw lakes I didn't know existed.

    What a country......and I love it.....I'm going out into it tomorrow for a couple of weeks.

    We hope to travel to Sth. Aus. in a year or two, via the Darling River, from Bourke to Menindee. Hopefully the drought will be broken by then. Bob
    I’m pretty sure the dinosaurs died out when they stopped gathering food and started having meetings to discuss gathering food

    A bookshop is one of the only pieces of evidence we have that people are still thinking

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    Getting water from the north and piping it south is not a new idea. I don't think it's a good idea because of 1 cost, 2 environmental impacts and 3 cost

    The cost benefit analysis just doesn't add up for a country our size. The Kimberley to Perth option for example sees water costing 100 to 200 times more than bulk haulage.

    Moving water long distances: Grand schemes or pipe dreams?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gusthedog View Post
    Getting water from the north and piping it south is not a new idea. I don't think it's a good idea because of 1 cost, 2 environmental impacts and 3 cost

    The cost benefit analysis just doesn't add up for a country our size. The Kimberley to Perth option for example sees water costing 100 to 200 times more than bulk haulage.

    Moving water long distances: Grand schemes or pipe dreams?

    It's been done before, but was almost never finished because of, surprise, surprise- Politics. Fancy that. Where are the doers in Australia today. Everything just seems too hard. I can't see how cost can even come into it, they found/wasted $ 10 million for a failed effort to get the World cup soccer here, didn't bat an eyelid. And now there is talk of finding billions for the Olympics! Providing a sustainable water supply to open up Australia for cultivation & cattle & sheep would pay for itself , given time. Oh, for a political leader with vision & courage. In short supply in the halls of Canberra. Bob


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    I’m pretty sure the dinosaurs died out when they stopped gathering food and started having meetings to discuss gathering food

    A bookshop is one of the only pieces of evidence we have that people are still thinking

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    Well all the water here in Kalgoorlie comes via a 600km pipeline from Mundaring, just outside of Perth. Without that pipeline, Kalgoorlie wouldn't be what it is today.

    When this pipeline was first proposed by C.Y. O'Connor, a lot of people said it couldn't be done, and would cost too much. Fortunately, politicians in those days could see past the next election - the money was allocated and the (impossible) pipeline was built - and we're still seeing the benefit from it today.

    Unfortunately, with none of today's politicians able to see past the next election and their own chances of being re-elected, projects like this haven't got much of a chance.
    Cheers .........

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    Quote Originally Posted by BMKal View Post
    Well all the water here in Kalgoorlie comes via a 600km pipeline from Mundaring, just outside of Perth. Without that pipeline, Kalgoorlie wouldn't be what it is today.

    When this pipeline was first proposed by C.Y. O'Connor, a lot of people said it couldn't be done, and would cost too much. Fortunately, politicians in those days could see past the next election - the money was allocated and the (impossible) pipeline was built - and we're still seeing the benefit from it today.

    Unfortunately, with none of today's politicians able to see past the next election and their own chances of being re-elected, projects like this haven't got much of a chance.

    Actually, it wasn't as simple as that. Politicians then were as bad as now. If you bother to have a look at the video, the story will unfold. Did you know O'Connor shot himself, over it? Bob
    I’m pretty sure the dinosaurs died out when they stopped gathering food and started having meetings to discuss gathering food

    A bookshop is one of the only pieces of evidence we have that people are still thinking

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    The shortage of water problem isn't suddenly going go away , just because of the next rainfall . The problem needs to be addressed at a National level . The huge cost can be spread over many years , not just next years budget or the year after . The country paid for the Snowy Hydro Scheme ,all those years ago . Looking back It was a major project , the most expensive in our history , I think we can all agree that It was worth doing . I think we lack statesmen , It would be good to see men of vision , with a long term concern for the future our country !!.. Jim..

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