Second prize for Russell Crowe

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Originally Posted by PhilipA

Except it is estimated that at any time about 10% of the population resides in Australia.
Is there any other country that this is true for? Hmm maybe Mexico and the USA.
Whoops I was wrong it is 15%
Wikipaedia
Regards Philip A
So what sort of an economy and social system is responsible for 15% of its citizens choosing to live somewhere else.

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Greece
Syria
North Korea ( Well they would if they could)
New Zealand
:p :wasntme:

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Originally Posted by Lotz-A-Landies

Me thinks it is someone else who needs to do more research:
from: Australian Tax Office

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Yep, and of course he declares all he should, Bob

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Originally Posted by PhilipA

My understanding is that Australia "reneged" because NZ was becoming a back door entry to Australia for third country residents who got NZ citizenship then moved on and NZ checks and requirements were not as selective as Australia's.

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there were two reasons given at the time. both were untrue factually. The first as you have written was quite untrue. Both NZ and Australia have a points system for skilled visa. at the time the equivalent skill levels that needed to be demonstrated for Australia 110 points ( NOW 100) and the NZ equivalent was 115, with the additional difficulty of not being able to get points for " community language" IE potential visa applications get more points if they speech selective languages IE Italian Greek Russian ( from memory) but the list is much longer. in addition Australia is seeking skills IE has a longer list of suitable skills than NZ. ie Australia needs more Hairdressers for example ( i kid you not, check it for yourself) where NZ this is not an option. IE NZ skill level is much higher.
in addition to that. after getting permanent residency which takes 3 years of being in country and working no crime etc. And an additional 2 years before becoming an NZ citizen. so that's 5 years in total before one could legally mover to Australia. the Australian system in total is 2-3 years.
Summary the reality is that it is easier to get a visa for Australia than it is for NZ. NZ is not and never was a back door to Australia. Statement to the country are just urban myth taken up by pollies and stupid aussies.
The second banner that the pollies waved was the dole bludging kiwi. I am not going to argue the case if it was in the late 60s and 70s. But by the 2000s the dole was no longer an issue now was any real percentage of Kiwis on the dole. Besides the kiwi cannot get the dole or a pension in australia.
The real story laid in the fact that so many aussie parent's after separation were seeing NZ as a place to go to avoid paying child support, moneys the Australian government wanted to recover. The kiwi government side was a concern of the brain drain. Even today for every mining job advertise in Australia there are two australin mining jobs advertised in NZ. Along with truck drivers etc etc.
So in short the Australian public was sold a pup, one which the redneck Australian public was all to ready to lap up to feed their existing prejudices.

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Originally Posted by PhilipA

The removal of Australian citizenship for children born in Australia to Non Australians was instituted AFAIR in the early 1980s, so anyone planning to have children later should be very well aware that the children would have the citizenship of their country of citizenship and be registered with their embassy /high commission at birth. .

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Partially true.in the case of an Australian having a child overseas this is the case. NZ for example the citizenship is from the mother's lineage, so if the mother is not a kiwi there is quite a process to go though and even in the case of kiwi citizenship being granted it is still only a partial citizenship or an incomplete citizenship. That's a chapter in its self.

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Originally Posted by PhilipA

When I worked in embassies I was involved with a few who planned a visit to Australia to have a child hoping for it to get citizenship, or at the very least have the child free under Medicare by pretending to be an Australian relative.

I don't understand this one. Are the children not registered with the NZ High Commission at birth? In any case most developed countries will not allow a parent to "kidnap" children without agreement of the spouse. .

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UN law that both Australia and NZ and many other country's ( not Singapore, china or the USA for example) states ? from the child's country of habitual residence? this negates country of citizenship.

Regards Philip A
BTW, I agree that Rusty should be given citizenship, and I reckon he will be.
Depends if he can get the NZs to toss the World Cup.[/QUOTE]

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Originally Posted by Lotz-A-Landies

Irrelevant, 457 temporary work visas also pay Aussie tax,

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Irrelevant, he would be a 444 as a kiwi special class visa, NOT a 457

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Originally Posted by PhilipA

There is a solution to all this.
NZ should become a state of Australia, as is provided for in the Australian constitution.
Then all those underprivileged NZs could have access to OZ welfare.

It's always been NZ who has resisted , and they prefer to be poor but happy in their little pond with about 10% of the population in OZ supporting the rest.
Regards Philip A

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Originally Posted by Lotz-A-Landies

Actually New Zealand were participants at colonial conferences from the 1860s and Kiwi delegates were present at the first "Australasian Federation Conference" in February 1890 with the intention of joining in a federation of the colonies, however prior to Australian federation they subsequently decided not to join with the Australian colonies and went it alone, seeing themselves as superior to the Australians and trade rivals to Australia. Most Kiwi's (Maori and pakeha) saw no benefit in joining in with the Australasian Federation.

In a hundred and fourteen years, little has changed.

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NZ did not join the federated states at the time, Mainly because of the race laws Australia had imposed on the Aboriginals. no equivalent law existed in NZ and by comparison NZ was a much more integrated society than Australia. and remember it was not that long after the USA civil war which was based over race.
the current reason or federation today would require the giving up of one seat in the UN for example as well as the pacific forum etc etc. in effect Australia would lose a voice and would NZ. that's to no ones advantage.
secondly the legal world and business world are planets apart as are the nature of economies. NZ very simplified tax laws for example compared to the disaster of Australia. Medicare. NZ tried it and scraped it. Australia disproportionate percentage of public servants for example would then become a burden on NZ. just look at the debates between the states over GST etc NZ has no wish to get involved in that.

as a note. atm the NZ economy is out striping the Australian at a great rate.

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Originally Posted by Eevo

we need to invade and annex then!

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cant beat the kiwis in sport how the hell do you think you could beat them in a fight?. and if you haven't noticed the kiwis are actually invading you!!!! its a joint venture with the Chinese, we are just going to breed you out while your bum is in the air and your head is in the sand, like normal

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Originally Posted by PhilipA

Except it is estimated that at any time about 10% of the population resides in Australia.
Is there any other country that this is true for? Hmm maybe Mexico and the USA.
Whoops I was wrong it is 15%
Wikipaedia
Regards Philip A
So what sort of an economy and social system is responsible for 15% of its citizens choosing to live somewhere else.

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Good Question, so exsplane why 1000 000 Australians do not live in Australia. maybe its the Australian economy or and social system??

regardless check your facts and answer the question

NB its actually more but i could only located the credible 2002 numbers in-case i am called to task. which will probably be apart of your howl of protest.

some posts

number was in 2005 when 5,382 Australian citizens to arrive to live in NZ permanently

and from wiki
"People born in New Zealand continue to be the second largest source of immigration to Australia, representing 11% of total permanent additions in 2005?06 and accounting for 2.3% of Australia's population at June 2006.[12] Australians make up a similar proportion of New Zealand's population.[7] New Zealand citizens have a high labour-force participation rate (78.2 per cent at July 2012) compared with those born in Australia (68.0 per cent).[13] New Zealanders living in Australia also have a higher median weekly income ($760) than Australians born in Australia ($597) and immigrants in general ($538), which be partially due to working long hours (51.8 hours per week) than Australian born (45.6 hours) or immigrants in general (44.7 hours)."

sort of shows that Kiwis are a bit less lazy than aussies really!!!!

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Originally Posted by bob10

Yep, and of course he declares all he should, Bob

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ill bet a 100 bucks to a pound of your farts that he pays more than you.

i will equal the bet to say he gets less centerlink, medicare, friggen bus pass than you!!!


you can pay the delivery costs. send it to PO Box 6022 capital city

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Originally Posted by 85 county

ill bet a 100 bucks to a pound of your farts that he pays more than you.

i will equal the bet to say he gets less centerlink, medicare, friggen bus pass than you!!!


you can pay the delivery costs. send it to PO Box 6022 capital city

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Interesting reply, but not surprising. Now, I have no centre-link payment of any kind. Medicare? you even know how that works? Bus pass ? I pay for my Go card. Don't be surprised if the current Government investigation into money secreted into Switzerland banks, gives up some famous " Australian " names. Just a heads up. Bob

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Originally Posted by 85 county

Good Question, so exsplane why 1000 000 Australians do not live in Australia. maybe its the Australian economy or and social system??

regardless check your facts and answer the question

NB its actually more but i could only located the credible 2002 numbers in-case i am called to task. which will probably be apart of your howl of protest.

some posts

number was in 2005 when 5,382 Australian citizens to arrive to live in NZ permanently

and from wiki
"People born in New Zealand continue to be the second largest source of immigration to Australia, representing 11% of total permanent additions in 2005?06 and accounting for 2.3% of Australia's population at June 2006.[12] Australians make up a similar proportion of New Zealand's population.[7] New Zealand citizens have a high labour-force participation rate (78.2 per cent at July 2012) compared with those born in Australia (68.0 per cent).[13] New Zealanders living in Australia also have a higher median weekly income ($760) than Australians born in Australia ($597) and immigrants in general ($538), which be partially due to working long hours (51.8 hours per week) than Australian born (45.6 hours) or immigrants in general (44.7 hours)."

sort of shows that Kiwis are a bit less lazy than aussies really!!!!

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Doubling the mean IQ of both countries. :p:D