advantages of a 110 over a rover or disco

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Originally Posted by rick130

I mustn't be a real Defender driver, don't have a beard and just slurped a latte. :(

But I do have an almost perpetual three day growth :D

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Mrs HH didn't have a beard last time I saw her either. :p

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Originally Posted by bob10

You miss the point. Not talking about "dealers", just the average mechanic in a remote area. Why, I would not take my D2 to a mechanic in Brisbane if I didn't think he/ she was switched on to Land Rovers. One of our members doing the big trip , in west Aus., having starting problems, was told by a mechanic in a reputable shop, his fuel pump needed replacing. Two fuel pumps later, still with a problem, he approached the local independent LR dealer, Redcliffe, to be told it was a simple membrane on top of the fuel filter. Fixed, at a fraction of the cost. Every second vehicle out west is a Toyota. The maintenance network favours Toyota, mechanics know Toyota. Any one who doesn't recognise that, is in denial. Bob

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And changing out parts hoping it fix's the problem never happens at Toyota workshops does it,Bob,I lived in remote Oz for 6 years,I never had a problem getting my LR's serviced or repaired,any mechanic that gives you the run around would not put a spanner on any of my vehicles,I had no problems with warranty work or service book servicing ever.If you think every small town has a Toyota mechanic that can fix your vehicle or has parts sitting on the shelf ready to go,you are the one living in denial.I repaired Toyota fleet vehicles for years,I don't need anyone telling me what it's like getting parts for them. ;) Pat

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Originally Posted by PAT303

And changing out parts hoping it fix's the problem never happens at Toyota workshops does it,Bob,I lived in remote Oz for 6 years,I never had a problem getting my LR's serviced or repaired,any mechanic that gives you the run around would not put a spanner on any of my vehicles,I had no problems with warranty work or service book servicing ever.If you think every small town has a Toyota mechanic that can fix your vehicle or has parts sitting on the shelf ready to go,you are the one living in denial.I repaired Toyota fleet vehicles for years,I don't need anyone telling me what it's like getting parts for them. ;) Pat

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We couldnt even get tyres for them!!!!!

So much for the "common size" outback towns will carry them...

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Originally Posted by Tombie

Those days are now the things of Fantasy land Bob...

Out back mechanics can no longer service Toyotas younger than an 80 series..

Sure they can do a wheel bearing etc, but any mechanic worth their salt can sort a simple item like that on ANY marque....

Plenty of modern LCs sitting in yards waiting to be flat towed to a repair point all the time... We certainly move a few.... So do the other mines...

Almost none no workshop (regional especially) have parts in stock any more, and a lot of them dont have diagnostics either.... Pays to carry your own diagnostic tool with a modern vehicle - regardless of brand...

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It's been like that for years,back loads from the Pilbara rarely go without a Toyota or two,the grave yard at Broome this time of year will have every make and model 4wd pass through it. Pat

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Originally Posted by Tombie

We couldnt even get tyres for them!!!!! So much for the "common size" outback towns will carry them...

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Yep even Alice doesn't have great stock of apparent common sizes. It's all about minimum quantities and not carrying 1 item more than absolutely necessary.
As for mechanics.
A real mechanic will work on anything successfully, but you can't change parts you don't have on hand and it's back to the minimum necessary stock philosophy/ business practice for most.
Small workshops will be lucky to have more than 2 grades of oil on hand.

You guys are all just further highlighting the massive market opportunity that Land Rover are missing.

There is now no Land Rover for sale under $70,000. The closest vehicle to having real bush ability and durability is a D4 and its $85,000 minimum! AND no-one living in a remote area will buy it as a work vehicle, because it's not durable enough, can't carry a load and has carpet!

I've got nothing against anyone who wants a luxury 4WD to go bush in occasionally or whatever. It's great that you have so many luxury Land Rover vehicles to choose from!

For those of us who spend most of our time working in the bush? Well, Land Rover has failed us, there is zilch. ...IF the new Defender, and IF it ever materialises, is a FAIRDINKUM bush/work vehicle, I'll eat your hat Pat.

Do you want fries with my hat?. Pat

good comeback :) or maybe do you want fries with that ....hat
I think most of us are secretly hoping the Deefer replacement is a world beater, although as I said earlier in this thread or another one (can't remember) I kinda like having a unique ish sort of car - don't really want to be one of the pack although some more competition in servicing and parts would be good but not if it means parts are gonna be as expensive as Toymota parts.

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Originally Posted by rick130

I mustn't be a real Defender driver, don't have a beard and just slurped a latte. :(

But I do have an almost perpetual three day growth :D

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I'm on holidays, I do have a beard, it is getting longer (while my hair is getting shorter), I like lattes and I drive a Defender - life is good!

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Originally Posted by MrLandy

You guys are all just further highlighting the massive market opportunity that Land Rover are missing.

There is now no Land Rover for sale under $70,000. The closest vehicle to having real bush ability and durability is a D4 and its $85,000 minimum! AND no-one living in a remote area will buy it as a work vehicle, because it's not durable enough, can't carry a load and has carpet!

I've got nothing against anyone who wants a luxury 4WD to go bush in occasionally or whatever. It's great that you have so many luxury Land Rover vehicles to choose from!

For those of us who spend most of our time working in the bush? Well, Land Rover has failed us, there is zilch. ...IF the new Defender, and IF it ever materialises, is a FAIRDINKUM bush/work vehicle, I'll eat your hat Pat.

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Australia's conditions are unique and the market too small to change the direction of any 4wd manufacturer. LR are obviously marketing themselves as a luxury only brand into the future. There probably just isn't enough $ to be made selling cheaper utilitarian vehicles anymore when you are competing with cheaper Asian products. Any new LR model will be a luxo- barge. Even the new version of your much lauded defender.