Thread: advantages of a 110 over a rover or disco

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Originally Posted by gusthedog

Advantages of a county/110/defender

• load carrying ability

Advantages of a disco (a d2 in this case)

• tubeless tires on all models
• dust seals that work
• air con that works
• comfortable seats
• a properly positioned hand brake
• room for those of us with working right elbows
• headlights that work
• tail lights visible for more than 5 metres at night
• baby seat harness clip thingys as standard (because disco owners reproduce and want to protect their kids)
• airbags (because we value having a face)
• Good stereos
• cruise control standard
• option of sls and ace so your 4wd drives like a car
• brakes that work
• proper gear ratios so you can comfortably drive both off road and on freeways comfortably (yes we value comfort and yes you can put 'comfortably' in a sentence twice. I'm no bloody martyr nor am I a hipster or a bushy stuck in the past )
• No body joint related water leaks
• cheap 2nd hand compared with insane defender prices
• etc etc

And that's just the beginning....

You've just described most Japanese 4WDs, most of which would be better built, more reliable and easier on the eye than a Disco. None of which can replicate the charm and charisma of the Defender.

That is why one costs a lot and the other costs a little.

Originally Posted by gusthedog

Advantages of a county/110/defender

• load carrying ability

Their load carrying ability isn't necessarily that good. It depends on the load. That rear door gives abysmal access. I know 'cos I used to own a 110.

One can fork a loaded pallet into a D1. I know 'cos I used to own a D1.

Originally Posted by ozscott

You guys keep talking Disco....but you must mean bread vans because you know d1 and d2 v8's closely similar to Deefers and 110 except with a well placed handbrake, and quiet interiors with no internal water features. Cheers

I had a Morris J Van Bread Van (ex ABBCO remember them?) once. It didn't have a well placed hand break, seats (except for driver). air-con, sound system, quiet interior, any kind of floor covering, or wind up windows. The motor was in the cab with just a thin cowling...But it was FUN

TDCi supremacy

Why do I maintain that the TDCi Defender is the pinnacle of the evolution of the 110?
oh the foolish
The esteemed OP has on occasion hinted at his belief that the 110 (distinct from Defender) is supreme, that Defenders don't match up.
Esteemed, i usually get called some thing else lol
Let me ask 110 supremacists - for all the same reasons you consider the 110 better than the Defender (robust construction, all mechanical etc):
- are you still banging away on a typewriter? The world has moved on you know.
- or are you using computers and email. (Don't deny - you post in AULRO - it's a rhetorical question)
In 1985 my company purchased for me a 8086 with 3 ? inch amber monitor, twin floppy drives and a 9400 modum for just over $9000.00, so all you are saying is it has gotten cheaper

(And don't get me started on Series owners with their quill, Quink, and blotting paper)
- do you still only own and use the mechanical rotary dial home telephone?
- or are you carrying a modern cell phones or smartphones.
UHF and HF, so nothing's changed there! Cell phones you can not use when driving nor when where 110s should be driven
I propose that the Defender is the naturally selected result of time proven evolutionary processes working on the 110 lineage.
Dinosaurs gave way to mammals. That the horse is not built heavy and slow and strong like a triceratops is in no way a flaw in the evolutionary process.
Likewise - The defender, and ultimately the TDCi, easily shrug off criticisms leveled by ancestors. Ie lighter build, faster, more powerful, more fuel efficient, more comfortable. These too, are not evolutionary process mistakes.
What, a 1986 110 kerb weight with its thicker panels and chassis including salbury dif was 1800KG. a puma with its minuscule motor thin panels and paper weight chassis and rover diff weights 2200KG? bust be all the extra copper wire?
fuel efficient, HA HA a pumas is about 11 ltr per 100, if you sit on 100klm at 110 klms its more like 17ltr. The 110 is 11ltr, regardless of speed weight or what your towing.
Sorry devolution at best
The evolutionary changes leading to the TDCi are not mistakes because they improve, not detract from, the species ability to perform, survive, thrive in the environment that is their lot.
but you forgot that the environment has changed as well, from opening up the world, to the Coles car park
What you call evolution I call interference by the Yanks and Nazi's
What of the more luxurious cousins? As has been pointed out the Discos and RR models do bring luxuries. Comforts. But at a cost. There are, in the case of these species, significant losses in some areas of performance and ability.
True so why buy a puma for the same job

Originally Posted by 85 county

[I]but you forgot that the environment has changed as well, from opening up the world, to the Coles car park [...]
True so why buy a puma for the same job

This is my puma. There are many like it, but this one is mine.

...and that's no Coles car park I bought it for.

Does this mean you're going to shoot a td5 engineer in a marine corps bathroom?

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Originally Posted by 85 county

TDCi supremacy

Why do I maintain that the TDCi Defender is the pinnacle of the evolution of the 110?
oh the foolish
The esteemed OP has on occasion hinted at his belief that the 110 (distinct from Defender) is supreme, that Defenders don't match up.
Esteemed, i usually get called some thing else lol
Let me ask 110 supremacists - for all the same reasons you consider the 110 better than the Defender (robust construction, all mechanical etc):
- are you still banging away on a typewriter? The world has moved on you know.
- or are you using computers and email. (Don't deny - you post in AULRO - it's a rhetorical question)
In 1985 my company purchased for me a 8086 with 3 ? inch amber monitor, twin floppy drives and a 9400 modum for just over $9000.00, so all you are saying is it has gotten cheaper

(And don't get me started on Series owners with their quill, Quink, and blotting paper)
- do you still only own and use the mechanical rotary dial home telephone?
- or are you carrying a modern cell phones or smartphones.
UHF and HF, so nothing's changed there! Cell phones you can not use when driving nor when where 110s should be driven
I propose that the Defender is the naturally selected result of time proven evolutionary processes working on the 110 lineage.
Dinosaurs gave way to mammals. That the horse is not built heavy and slow and strong like a triceratops is in no way a flaw in the evolutionary process.
Likewise - The defender, and ultimately the TDCi, easily shrug off criticisms leveled by ancestors. Ie lighter build, faster, more powerful, more fuel efficient, more comfortable. These too, are not evolutionary process mistakes.
What, a 1986 110 kerb weight with its thicker panels and chassis including salbury dif was 1800KG. a puma with its minuscule motor thin panels and paper weight chassis and rover diff weights 2200KG? bust be all the extra copper wire?
fuel efficient, HA HA a pumas is about 11 ltr per 100, if you sit on 100klm at 110 klms its more like 17ltr. The 110 is 11ltr, regardless of speed weight or what your towing.
Sorry devolution at best
The evolutionary changes leading to the TDCi are not mistakes because they improve, not detract from, the species ability to perform, survive, thrive in the environment that is their lot.
but you forgot that the environment has changed as well, from opening up the world, to the Coles car park
What you call evolution I call interference by the Yanks and Nazi's
What of the more luxurious cousins? As has been pointed out the Discos and RR models do bring luxuries. Comforts. But at a cost. There are, in the case of these species, significant losses in some areas of performance and ability.
True so why buy a puma for the same job

Well let us sit back and watch the 110/County/Defenders owners fight it out. I think it might be good. Us Discovery drivers shall retire into the audience and watch the show. It really is sad. After more than 20 years driving 110s in the Army I think I will stick with my Discovery thank you very much. Anyone can self harm. I am fairly comfortable with the fact that my D3 can go anywhere a 110/County/Defender can go and I am far more comfortable in the process. Did I mention that I sold my Defender for $10000 more than my super comfortable and capable Discovery cost.