Thread: advantages of a 110 over a rover or disco

Originally Posted by steane

You've just described most Japanese 4WDs, most of which would be better built, more reliable and easier on the eye than a Disco. None of which can replicate the charm and charisma of the Defender.

That is why one costs a lot and the other costs a little.

Not really. My disco has more comfortable seats then my parents Sahara 200 series. I don't find any Japanese 4wds comfortable or as good looking as my disco but then taste is clearly in the eye of the beer-holder.

Originally Posted by gusthedog

Not really. My disco has more comfortable seats then my parents Sahara 200 series. I don't find any Japanese 4wds comfortable or as good looking as my disco but then taste is clearly in the eye of the beer-holder.

I haven't driven a Japanese 4wd with seats approaching any where near the comfort of a Defender.

I used to get out of the ex's GQ and then GU Patrol's with a sore back after a trip.
Not enough lumbar no under thigh support.
The same with Navara's, HiLux's, Cruisers, etc. all are flat and shapeless.

The Deefer seats are minimalist, but have something approaching the right amount of lumbar support, something no one else seems to have cottoned on to.

Of course a Recaro, Scheel our the old Aerotech seats are better, but for a stock seat the Defender ones are fine.

Originally Posted by cuppabillytea

I had a Morris J Van Bread Van (ex ABBCO remember them?) once. It didn't have a well placed hand break, seats (except for driver). air-con, sound system, quiet interior, any kind of floor covering, or wind up windows. The motor was in the cab with just a thin cowling...But it was FUN

Haha. Yes i should have said D3/4 bread van.

Cheers

If anyone thinks that a Defender is not comfortable, they are sadly deluded. I am 61 years old. My spine has been broken, crushed and prolapsed. In short, It is as useful as a chocolate tea pot. However I drove from Rainbow Beach to Sydney in 16 Hours, stopping only for fuel and tucker. Arrived home Fit as a fiddle.

When I had my 110 County, I reckoned that, for me, the County's seats were more comfortable than those of my P38A (I had both cars at the same time).

Interestingly, motoring journalists bag the seats, perhaps because they don't expect them to work.

Me too. "George's' seats, while upright and relatively thin, are padded in all the right places for me, so the firmness of the seats actually makes them more supportive than softer seats, which might be good for sleeping, but when I'm driving I don't want to sleep. Mind you, I also like a firm bed.
Motoring journos don't spend long enough in the seats to appreciate their advantages. They're mainly interested in how fast it accelerates.

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Motoring journo's have made numerous presumptions about the Defender for at least the past 20 years! "Grandfathers axe of the 4x4 world" being just one! (The best axe design is the original by the way...so they actually sound a bit ridiculous). Cramped driving position is another...in my experience the COSINESS against the door is a plus! Bracing for off road, better view of the track in all directions, not to mention the flat sided advantages in tight forest country. Defender seats are actually the best in the business too (other than aftermarket rally driving seats, which are very firm) precisely because they are firm, upright and have good lumbar support. The basic nature of the interior geometry of the Defender is actually ergonomically excellent. Everything else is a lounge chair, which looks good at first glance, but is terrible for your back. Motoring journo's give cursory reports at best. It's actually pathetic. Long term comfort, durability, reliability is all based on presumption. Defender has been the victim of this presumption for decades.

My d2 with leather seats (non electric) are the most comfortable seats in any car I've driven. I know dads cloth ones were horrid, maybe because it was brand new and mine has 250k worth of wearing in
But I find them fantastic, good adjustment, comfortable and supportive. Have done several 9-10 hour trips and gotten out feeling fantastic.

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