My D3 has got a bit of a cold

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The reason I stated what I did in my first post was that the TCS (RACV over here) did a survey of all the call outs they have had in the last ten years or so, and what they were about and also the % of cars per year that broke down. They found that there was a direct relation to the amount of electronic gear on a car and the amount of breakdowns and they are getting more and more electronic call outs every year.

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and here lies the problem - electronics and pressurised water!!!

To add the the above quote, in the UK there has been a increase in cars electronics braking down - NOT ALL ARE LR PRODUCTS!!!

The reasons coming from the RAC / TCS / AA (NRMA here in NSW) was the attempts of owners trying to "keep up with the Jones" by constanly washing the engine bay with an ever increasing number of high pressure hoses.

Do these people think that it goes quicker when cleaner? or does the neighbour even look under the bonnet of their car?

As suggested in these posts - electronics are more reliable than mechanical devices, just they don't like pressurised water - I guess its like putting a couple if litres of water into the oil top up in an older non electro motor?

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Did you hear about that fellow who had a latest model Renault, and something went funny with it and he could not stop, It just went flat out (over 200Km/h) till something gave out. Nobody was hurt as he was on the expressway but what would have happend if he was in town?

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Originally posted by matbor
I think most of the new cars have a leap home mode built in, but that want work if the ECU is dead !!

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It'd be alright if they had a leap home mode - shades of Superman. The trouble is that they have a limp home mode. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif[/img]

Ron

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so what you are saying is that there is no mechanical link between high and low range.... only elecronics... :roll: :roll:
you have got to be kidding.... that is possibly the dumbest thing (second only to no CDL in S11 Disco) LR has ever done considering their.. umm lets just say "interesting" electrical past...

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Well there's a switch inside and that must turn something on to mechanically change the transfer case from hi to lo and vice versa.

The manual doesn't mention any manual override like the electronic park brake so maybe it is all controlled inside the transfer case.
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As there is no High/Neutral/Low Range gear lever in the P38A, the P38A has high/low range selection done by an electric motor on the outside of the transfer case. The motor is controlled by an ECU. In fact, I was sent an ECU two weeks ago - one that had failed by burning up the MOSFETs in it. The replacement cost the owner $450.

I haven't investigated if one can select low range manually by climbing under the car.

Also, because there is no range selection lever, transfer case neutral can only be selected by fitting a fuse into a vacant fuse position. One needs to do this if the vehicle has to be flat towed.

Ron

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The reason I stated what I did in my first post was that the TCS (RACV over here) did a survey of all the call outs they have had in the last ten years or so, and what they were about and also the % of cars per year that broke down. They found that there was a direct relation to the amount of electronic gear on a car and the amount of breakdowns and they are getting more and more electronic call outs every year.

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and here lies the problem - electronics and pressurised water!!!

To add the the above quote, in the UK there has been a increase in cars electronics braking down - NOT ALL ARE LR PRODUCTS!!!

The reasons coming from the RAC / TCS / AA (NRMA here in NSW) was the attempts of owners trying to "keep up with the Jones" by constanly washing the engine bay with an ever increasing number of high pressure hoses.

Do these people think that it goes quicker when cleaner? or does the neighbour even look under the bonnet of their car?

As suggested in these posts - electronics are more reliable than mechanical devices, just they don't like pressurised water - I guess its like putting a couple if litres of water into the oil top up in an older non electro motor?

LRH

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Did you hear about that fellow who had a latest model Renault, and something went funny with it and he could not stop, It just went flat out (over 200Km/h) till something gave out. Nobody was hurt as he was on the expressway but what would have happend if he was in town?[/b][/quote]



he would have got 5 metres down the road then a cab or a government bus would have pulled out in front of him and he would have stopped...

if your car gets stuck on full throttle you simply switch off the ignition...if that dont work you just put it in neutral and let the engine go on its own...

that was driver error as far as im concerned....

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The reason I stated what I did in my first post was that the TCS (RACV over here) did a survey of all the call outs they have had in the last ten years or so, and what they were about and also the % of cars per year that broke down. They found that there was a direct relation to the amount of electronic gear on a car and the amount of breakdowns and they are getting more and more electronic call outs every year.

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and here lies the problem - electronics and pressurised water!!!

To add the the above quote, in the UK there has been a increase in cars electronics braking down - NOT ALL ARE LR PRODUCTS!!!

The reasons coming from the RAC / TCS / AA (NRMA here in NSW) was the attempts of owners trying to "keep up with the Jones" by constanly washing the engine bay with an ever increasing number of high pressure hoses.

Do these people think that it goes quicker when cleaner? or does the neighbour even look under the bonnet of their car?

As suggested in these posts - electronics are more reliable than mechanical devices, just they don't like pressurised water - I guess its like putting a couple if litres of water into the oil top up in an older non electro motor?

LRH

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Did you hear about that fellow who had a latest model Renault, and something went funny with it and he could not stop, It just went flat out (over 200Km/h) till something gave out. Nobody was hurt as he was on the expressway but what would have happend if he was in town?[/b][/quote]



he would have got 5 metres down the road then a cab or a government bus would have pulled out in front of him and he would have stopped...

if your car gets stuck on full throttle you simply switch off the ignition...if that dont work you just put it in neutral and let the engine go on its own...

that was driver error as far as im concerned....[/b][/quote]

The car is one of those with the card in place of the ignition key, you cannot pull out the card or stop the motor whilest in gear. Also the car is automatic. Electronic automatic, so he could not put it into neutral. I asked a garage (Renault) about this, and he said to me that "from what I have heard on the radio the bloke inside the car could do nothing but hope it would stop owing to the nature of the breakdown"

Lets face it, most d3's are destined for no more offroad than the small gravel section between the bitumen and the grass of the pony club, chaps.

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Lets face it, most d3's are destined for no more offroad than the small gravel section between the bitumen and the grass of the pony club, chaps.

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i think it best if you go and hide somewhere mate 8O 8O 8O


i'm picking your going to cop abit of flack :wink: :wink:

Before you draw and quarter loanrangie, hiline the vast majority of LRs will be used in the very way lonerangie states and up until 2 weeks ago, I had not done any real off roading but that has now changed and I intend to do as much as I can get time for.

Prior to the excursion to Ormeau I didn’t thing the RR could be used that well off road.

So much for my ignorance.

In all fairness to all the posts above there are going to be some strange faults occurring from time to time but I would love to see some sort of comparison between the failure rates of minimal electronically equipped 4bys compered and how many failures were prevented because the vehicles were equipped with advanced electronics.

Cheers

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The reason I stated what I did in my first post was that the TCS (RACV over here) did a survey of all the call outs they have had in the last ten years or so, and what they were about and also the % of cars per year that broke down. They found that there was a direct relation to the amount of electronic gear on a car and the amount of breakdowns and they are getting more and more electronic call outs every year.

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and here lies the problem - electronics and pressurised water!!!

To add the the above quote, in the UK there has been a increase in cars electronics braking down - NOT ALL ARE LR PRODUCTS!!!

The reasons coming from the RAC / TCS / AA (NRMA here in NSW) was the attempts of owners trying to "keep up with the Jones" by constanly washing the engine bay with an ever increasing number of high pressure hoses.

Do these people think that it goes quicker when cleaner? or does the neighbour even look under the bonnet of their car?

As suggested in these posts - electronics are more reliable than mechanical devices, just they don't like pressurised water - I guess its like putting a couple if litres of water into the oil top up in an older non electro motor?

LRH

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Did you hear about that fellow who had a latest model Renault, and something went funny with it and he could not stop, It just went flat out (over 200Km/h) till something gave out. Nobody was hurt as he was on the expressway but what would have happend if he was in town?

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he would have got 5 metres down the road then a cab or a government bus would have pulled out in front of him and he would have stopped...

if your car gets stuck on full throttle you simply switch off the ignition...if that dont work you just put it in neutral and let the engine go on its own...

that was driver error as far as im concerned....[/b][/quote]

The car is one of those with the card in place of the ignition key, you cannot pull out the card or stop the motor whilest in gear. Also the car is automatic. Electronic automatic, so he could not put it into neutral. I asked a garage (Renault) about this, and he said to me that "from what I have heard on the radio the bloke inside the car could do nothing but hope it would stop owing to the nature of the breakdown"[/b][/quote]

OK then i would stand on the brake as hard as i could then turn it into a Armco or Guard rail or anything..... even at 100kmh i'd pull it into something.... That is a design fault that you cant shut it down or grab neutral. id be looking at a law suit against the Frogs for that one.....

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Originally posted by drivesafe
Before you draw and quarter loanrangie, hiline the vast majority of LRs will be used in the very way lonerangie states and up until 2 weeks ago, I had not done any real off roading but that has now changed and I intend to do as much as I can get time for.

Prior to the excursion to Ormeau I didn’t thing the RR could be used that well off road.

So much for my ignorance.

In all fairness to all the posts above there are going to be some strange faults occurring from time to time but I would love to see some sort of comparison between the failure rates of minimal electronically equipped 4bys compered and how many failures were prevented because the vehicles were equipped with advanced electronics.

Cheers

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Tim,

I recommend you check out the RRIII forum at http://rangerovers.net/forum/viewforum.php?f=2

Ron