Autonomous Vehicles

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Originally Posted by bee utey

1. I'd like to see you sue an unlicenced, unregistered druggie and get any money out of him.

2. Big companies get sued all the time, if one vehicle fails there's a high likelihood of others failing. Lucrative fields of work for class action lawyers. Think VW for starters. Think Takata.

3. But the poor victim in all current and future accident scenarios will of course receive 2/10ths of eff all, that is a given. That's except for some primitive satisfaction of knowing that their injury has been revenged on a supposedly "guilty" individual. I'm sure that helps the healing process a lot. :bat:

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Most of the context I referred to Bee Utey, is towards an individual being found responsible... Druggy/drunk etc can still be found responsible, and if that druggy/drunk is also wealthy, then once they are found responsible for their actions whilst driving, then a law suit can be paid...

Under the criminal/road codes, it dont matter your wealth/registration/license details.... Under those codes its based on accusing an individual, when it comes to charging a corporation or board of directors, well the PTY LTD comes into effect and like the recent charges over a mining company here in WA, 1 person took the rap and retired(they where already in the process) and the company copped a fine... If it had been an individual, it would have been time served behind bars....

Corporations with directors have a diminishing responsibility, the higher you go up the chain... The legislation may say otherwise but experience has shown that it is not the way it works...

PS, didnt think to point it out, latest "Air Bag" problem, company dissolved, airbag still killing... umm who can you sue there...I think it affects some 30% of cars in the US...Not sure on the exact figures but its massive..

Job losses, hacking worries and ethical questions — but get used to driverless cars Driverless cars to bring job losses, hacking worries and ethical questions — but get used to them - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) - via @abcnews

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Originally Posted by cuppabillytea

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The Vehicle had no choice but to do what it was programmed to do. It could have been programmed to spare the bystanders and chance it with the truck............

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AFAIK all the current autonomous systems will switch off and hand control over to the 'driver' in complex situations.

This 'driver' in the future might never have had to make a critical decision in a life and death driving situation because they have just sat back texting or looking at pron getting to the destination whilst being driven autonomously.

No real world experience, no experienced based decision making in a split second.

Anyone who has experienced the uselessness of some of the current generation of teens will know what this is about.

cheers, DL

Interesting article - and the only conclusion I think manufacturers can come to if they say the 'driver' can be hands off. - Access Denied

Will be interesting to see their level 5 vehicles - no steering wheels or pedals - have a sleep in the back seat while being whisked to work - now that I'm up for... :)

Pretty sure I'll be retired from full time work by the time that happens though...

I'll bet future sales contracts will include the buyer signing some sort of legal waiver against suing the manufacturer. Not sure if politicians will have the guts to stand up to the companies and protect the rights of the public though.

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Originally Posted by Homestar

Pretty sure I'll be retired from full time work by the time that happens though...

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I'll be long dead by the time it happens.

I was driving through Hamilton a couple of weeks back. It was raining. The satnav signal was way off due to the weather. It had me a hundred metres or so north of where I was. If they can't get something as simple as a sat nav working properly, I don't think something as complex as an autonomous vehicle would cope unless you could take it out only on fine, sunny days.

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Originally Posted by DiscoMick

I'll bet future sales contracts will include the buyer signing some sort of legal waiver against suing the manufacturer. Not sure if politicians will have the guts to stand up to the companies and protect the rights of the public though.

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I'm sure they'll try something to that effect, but at the end of the day they will still have to sell vehicles - using a clause like that would put off a lot of buyers. The legalities of it all are the single biggest sticking point I think when it comes to Autonomous vehicles.

Much water to flow under the bridge yet.

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Originally Posted by DiscoMick

I'll bet future sales contracts will include the buyer signing some sort of legal waiver against suing the manufacturer. Not sure if politicians will have the guts to stand up to the companies and protect the rights of the public though.

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From what I understand, in this country it is not lawful to sign away your rights. A waiver of rights would not be valid in court.

I think you're right that rights can't be signed away, but signing an agreement can be taken as a statement of intention which can stand up in court.

Here's an interesting startup. It's not for a car though, it's for a new form of transport.

Zoox is coming out of the shadows as it enters '''Godzilla mode'''

here's another one for the mind mincer: What will the after market tweakers get up to?

I can see it now.... "Make your AV the boss of the road. We can tune your guidance system to be more aggressive than your average Robot. You'll be sure to get there first."