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Originally Posted by Zeros
How many of us use a car based navigation system? The one in my car is terrible. How many have one that is connected to the internet?
How many of us use an app as our navigator? Google maps, Hema navigator, etc? Most of us?
The best navigators will always be connected to the net for software updates, roadworks updates, traffic updates, etc.
So if you are operating an autonomous vehicle by navigator, it is likely to be subject to interference.
I seem to remember from Rich Rebuilds that a Tesla S will communicate with Tesla before it is allowed to Supercharge.
Be unfortunate if the cell was down in Oognigalabee and you want to recharge.
Regards Philip A
Hmmm, I can see one big flaw already with the Germans idea. 'The machine must injure the least amount of people' and 'Treat all life equally'. High ideals for sure. BUT - take the example of a group of pedestrians stepping out from the curb who haven't been paying attention - say there's 3 of them and you're on your own being whisked to your destination happily watching an episode of 'Family Feud'. Your vehicle decides to put you into a wall or oncoming car with also one person in it - because 3 ****tards aren't watching what they are doing. I could think of a dozen scenarios like this where the at fault party will walk away without a scratch while the innocent party cops an accident for their time.
Then, what happens when someone figues out this is an easy way to deliberatly put a person they may not like into a wall, etc? Group of mates works wout where Joe Blogs will be travelling on the way to work and jump out in front of their vehicle - car drives off the road - the group of idiots walks away chuckling to themselves.
Given the amount of posibilities to deliberaely create an accident by understanding what the car will do under a certain situations, just having a few 'laws' to govern the system isn't going to work and why I think we are looking at decades before this happens.
So now we need to 'tune' our cars to think they have a full complement of people on board?
Cars are already being 'owner hacked' as such, and there is reason to think this will become more prevalent, so just imagine what parameters might get changed.
I really rail against all this.
Yeah, that's an interesting one - bypass the occupant sensors so the vehicle thinks it's full all the time - I like it. 👍
Now I wonder what happens if those three people happen to be three kangaroos?
And there is a B double on your tail?
There are so many infinite possibilities of what if this may/could happen,it’s starting to get rediculous.
I wonder if there is the slightest possibility of it distinguishing whether it is roos or people!Quote:
Originally Posted by scarry
Another scenario I encountered a few years ago:- I started through an intersection just after the lights changed. Just through the intersection, a man with a white cane stepped off the footpath and started across the road in front of me. Naturally, I stopped rather abruptly. So did the car in front of me - with my towbar embedded in the front of his car.
And another:- Quite a few years ago, I was stopped in the left lane of traffic (four lane, undivided road, evening peak), second from the front. The lights changed, the car heading the right lane moved into the intersection with his RH blinker on, the car in front of me accelerated through the intersection. The car on my right abruptly switched on its lights and sirens and cut sharply in front of me, round the car in his lane. Again, naturally, I stopped abruptly. So did the car behind me - after he hit me.
How would the autonomous car deal with this. In the first case, I spotted the white cane, and that he was about to step off the kerb - would the autonomous car? In the second, would it recognise the police car breaking the law and allow for it?
I dont even trust the idea of autonomous braking. There are situations where you have to accelerate to avoid collisions, and i would hate to have it take away my power to do that. I already know what its like when esp torque limiting bogs me when 4wding on soft or slippery ground, which is disempowering enough, never mind it doing that and applying the brakes when a truck is on a head on trajectory.
Friend was telling me last weekend about his experience with autonomous braking on a freeway. Their car was cheerfully keeping them a set distance from the car in front until they came to a point where a slip road entered the freeway. He realised the car behind him was close, and there was a semi right up close behind that. A car came down the entry ramp and slotted in between his car and the car his was following. With the autonomous gap suddenly and significantly reduced, his car braked hard. The car behind almost hit him, the semi behind that only just swerved aside in time (and gave my mate the finger as he passed).Quote:
Originally Posted by rammypluge
Without autonomous braking my mate would've maintained speed as the entry car slotted in and then either gradually slowed or let them change lanes or speed up. As it was, even as he tried to accelerate he couldn't override the autonomous brake nor could he flick the system off in time.