Thread: Autonomous Vehicles

Originally Posted by DazzaTD5

How so?
How many accidents on the roads are caused by driver error? I'd guess its a lot higher than any other factor such as mechanical failure, road conditions, etc etc

Ah, so you've not been following this thread. It's back a few pages. Have a read of this post:
Autonomous Vehicles

Originally Posted by Mick_Marsh

Ah, so you've not been following this thread. It's back a few pages. Have a read of this post:
Autonomous Vehicles

No, I said in my first post it was too long to read, my attention span isnt very long...
But I did read the moron that drove on to the railway line using a GPS, its still driver error.

Again my guess is the stats will show most accidents are driver error.

But I understand them old boys that are against robot cars. You know the same ol boys that scoffed at ABS brakes, airbags, how new cars just crumple up in a major accident, bluh bluh etc etc....

I overhauled the brakes on a 1948 Chev Fleetmaster a few weeks back, that would prolly suit some, had a full chassis riveted together like an old steam ship, mostly just metal inside so easy to hose out whats left of the occupants after a major accident.

People are always going to scoff at new technology and point out all its early development failings.

Originally Posted by DazzaTD5

No, I said in my first post it was too long to read, my attention span isnt very long...
But I did read the moron that drove on to the railway line using a GPS, its still driver error.

Again my guess is the stats will show most accidents are driver error.

But I understand them old boys that are against robot cars. You know the same ol boys that scoffed at ABS brakes, airbags, how new cars just crumple up in a major accident, bluh bluh etc etc....

I overhauled the brakes on a 1948 Chev Fleetmaster a few weeks back, that would prolly suit some, had a full chassis riveted together like an old steam ship, mostly just metal inside so easy to hose out whats left of the occupants after a major accident.

People are always going to scoff at new technology and point out all its early development failings.

Gee, that was a long post for you, then.

To assist because of your short attention span:

the fatality rate for drivers overall in the U.S. is about 1.25 per 100 million miles

For the autonomous vehicles it ain't lookin' good

the first fatality in about 3 million miles of driving with all the test vehicles

Autonomous vehicles are so dangerous, they still require a human ready to take over full control in an instant at any time.

Originally Posted by Mick_Marsh

Gee, that was a long post for you, then.

To assist because of your short attention span:

For the autonomous vehicles it ain't lookin' good

Autonomous vehicles are so dangerous, they still require a human ready to take over full control in an instant at any time.

You should look at L and P plater statistics to compare against early gen autonomous vehicles. Bet you the numbers will look loads different then.

Oh and as a mod your personal jabs are a bit questionable???

Originally Posted by bee utey

You should look at L and P plater statistics to compare against early gen autonomous vehicles. Bet you the numbers will look loads different then.

Yep. Let's fiddle with the statistics to make our argument look better.

So, what you are saying is L and P platers should only drive autonomous vehicles. Yep, that will give them the driving experience they will need to take control when the autonomous vehicle decides it's too hard.

Originally Posted by Mick_Marsh

Yep. Let's fiddle with the statistics to make our argument look better.

Just comparing similar levels of learning and skill.

Originally Posted by Mick_Marsh

So, what you are saying is L and P platers should only drive autonomous vehicles.

I can't recall writing anything like that at all. I could check, it would be on the screen down below somewhere.

What I'm doing is comparing accident statistics of inexperienced drivers with early gen autonomous vehicles. I could add doddering old fools to that list too, if you like. Also there is a case to be made for drivers to do more advanced learning before they hit the streets, but that would be unpopular in certain circles. How many people would bother to get a car licence when there's no real need because viable alternatives exist in the near future? Less than today, I'm sure.

Originally Posted by Mick_Marsh

Yep, that will give them the driving experience they will need to take control when the autonomous vehicle decides it's too hard.

The same way you grab hold of the steering wheel when your learner child/immigrant taxi driver/elderly relative makes a fatal error and you have the magic skills needed to avert a catastrophe.

Originally Posted by Mick_Marsh

Yep. Let's fiddle with the statistics to make our argument look better.

So, what you are saying is L and P platers should only drive autonomous vehicles. Yep, that will give them the driving experience they will need to take control when the autonomous vehicle decides it's too hard.

Noooo we are saying L and P platers are so dangerous, they still require an experienced driver to take over full control in an instant at any time.

Originally Posted by Mick_Marsh

Autonomous vehicles are so dangerous, they still require a human ready to take over full control in an instant at any time.

source Wiki:

• August 31, 1869 UK (Ireland)– While riding as a passenger with relatives in an experimental steam car, Mary Ward was thrown from the car and fell under the wheels as it rounded a bend. This is believed to be the first recorded automobile death. It took place in the town of Birr, which was known at that time as Parsonstown. The car was built by her cousins, the sons of William Parsons, 3rd Earl of Rosse.^[2]
• 1890 London had 5,728 street accidents, resulting in 144 deaths.^[3] It may be that not all of these involved motorized carriages.
• 1891 US. John William Lambert, was involved in the first automobile accident in American history. The accident occurred in Ohio City, Ohio. Lambert's vehicle—the first single-cylinder gasoline automobile, which was carrying Lambert and James Swoveland, hit a tree root, causing the car to careen out of control and smash into a hitching post. Injuries from this accident were minor.^[4]

There must have been outrage! them motorised carriages are so dangerous! I'm surprised they didnt ban them all !