What is a weapon?

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Originally Posted by DoubleChevron

No, I think they have it right. You see a dementia patient maybe perfectly fine when this form is filled in ..... what about 6weeks down the track ? or 3months down the track. Depending on the condition they are being treated for any weapons need to be removed from the house earlier rather than later.

seeya,
Shane L.

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And that comes back to my original question different people have different ideas about what a weapon is. The key factor is safety, as I said I can as many others can, to use other items as a weapon. Where do you stop taking item's of someone that can be used as a weapon?

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Originally Posted by DoubleChevron

I don't worry at all about current laws and have carried a small folding knife since I was a little kids. These days I always have a Leatherman or SOG multi-tool attached to my belt. The best bit about these modern multi-tools, especially the SOG is the ability to deploy both the blades and the pliers one handed. I'd never use it for self defense..... It's a heavily used tool.

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Likewise. But I only have need for a single small blade. This is the current carry for everything from opening mail, cutting straps off a pallet, to cutting an orange for lunch.
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An incredibly useful tool to have on your person, and hardly what you'd call a weapon of mass destruction.

Multi tools are handled differently than normal blades though. For folding knives, 'one handed opening' as well as knives which open through force applied by a spring , gravity, or a lever mechanism (colloquially, a 'flick' knife) are illegal. Multi tools are a different story though, as magically, the addition of a can opener makes them less dangerous :p

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Originally Posted by Toxic_Avenger

For a knife, I'd understand. But not for a sharpening steel. A frying pan would make a better 'weapon' than that!

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a, it depends on the steel.
b, whose wielding it

Id happily take most people on one on one, me with a steel VS them with a frying pan or a short knife.

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Originally Posted by Toxic_Avenger

Likewise. But I only have need for a single small blade. This is the current carry for everything from opening mail, cutting straps off a pallet, to cutting an orange for lunch.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/im...015/10/609.jpg
An incredibly useful tool to have on your person, and hardly what you'd call a weapon of mass destruction.

Multi tools are handled differently than normal blades though. For folding knives, 'one handed opening' as well as knives which open through force applied by a spring , gravity, or a lever mechanism (colloquially, a 'flick' knife) are illegal. Multi tools are a different story though, as magically, the addition of a can opener makes them less dangerous :p

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Yes I can "flick" the blade open on the multi-tool............. I still figure "Who cares".... I have a knife block of steak knives sitting just beside me in the kitchen at the moment (forgetting foot long carving blades in a knife block beside that). I've carried one of these on my belt since I broke most of the tools on my leatherman

PowerAssist

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It's nothing short of brilliant. I use it all the time in the place of normal pliers too as they grip as tight as vice grips ( and you can flick the pliers open in one hand as they are geared .... ). It's been used so much the spring behind the "keys" that lock the implements open broke (ok, ok, maybe I've used it as a hammer quite a lot too :wasntme: :angel: ).... I contacted SOG asking if I could buy the spring and was told to send it back.... Lifetime warranty repair. Last week and brand new replacement arrived in the post :D :cool: Hows that for a warranty, they posted me a brand newie around the world by priority post for free :)

A knife is a tool.... How to stop kids in gangs carrying knives is something I have no idea about. I don't understand the culture.

seeya,
Shane L.

i have a leatherman which has 1 or 2 spring-like knifes.
it is tool... yes
would i be allowed to take it onto a plane... hell no.

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Originally Posted by boa

Yes was asked all of them but as stated weapons is too subject. I was involved in risk assessment for the government. Most had no idea of what was going on. No historical information on events. I was on a team for a major government building during a visit by the queen. We had people on the roof armed and most asked why.

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London games, why you putting a missile battery on the roof of our apartment?

Seriously though, common sense would prevail, like I said, guns, swords, war souvenirs like grenades, daggers. Things that can readily inflict large damage to the body in one action like the above.

My almost 8 year old son recently presented me with a list of what he thought he needed for his birthday. Scarily most items probably represented a "weapon". Air rifle, Swiss Army knife, bow and arrows, cross bow. The safest things were Xbox related. I should declare that he reminds me my Dad gave me a Magnum 22 for my 8th birthday.

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Originally Posted by EastFreo

My almost 8 year old son recently presented me with a list of what he thought he needed for his birthday. Scarily most items probably represented a "weapon". Air rifle, Swiss Army knife, bow and arrows, cross bow. The safest things were Xbox related. I should declare that he reminds me my Dad gave me a Magnum 22 for my 8th birthday.

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If you live on a farm, a rifle is probably a sensible present. It will take all of excitement out of the idea of guns .... being anything other than a tool. They have no place in suburbia where they have no use. I like the idea of no guns in our community. My granfathers era is well past. There is no longer the need for anyone except farmers to a rifles and shotguns. Handguns have no place at all in society as there only use is shooting poeple.

Obviously I have nothing against collectors, hunters and target shooters. These poeple are rarely if ever a problem.

I would have loved to have had a good bow/arrow set, air rifle when I was a kid (yeah that was never going to happen :) ). We always had pocket knives. My grandfather always had one in his pocket, and so did us kids since we were about 8years old. This is 30years ago though. My mother was called into the school at one point 'cos someone saw the pocket knife in my brothers pocket.......... We were told "don't take your pocket knives to school any more". At the time I thought it was stupid, now I'm not so sure.

seeya,
Shane L.

It would only ever be used on the farm. Stay with the grandparents and they have 4000 acres.

It's a big topic , What is a weapon You could write lots of books about them , and still on scratch the surface . The one thing is that just about everyone has an opinion about them . From a simple rock , to a Nuclear Sub . I think the problem can be who is holding , or controlling the weapon , that's where the problem is !!. Jim ..