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If at all, its only 'yours' for a very short time in the scheme of things. Even though you paid a lot of money for it you are merely a custodian (unless it's a Disco, then it's simply disposable :wasntme:). Ownership is a western capitalist construct. Yes we all buy into it because it is the small minded system that the majority are captivated by. But in reality it's a figment. When GFC MK II arrives the illusion will be shattered.Quote:
Originally Posted by cuppabillytea
I call complete and utter bull**** and cite just one reference for the concept of ownership in a culture that pre-dates "western capitalist constructs" - the Islamic concept of "ownership"Quote:
Originally Posted by MrLandy
The Law Study: Concept of Ownership in Islamic Jurisprudence
It wouldn't take much thought to pull together a list of other cultural examples that are not western or capitalist, and predate "western capitalist constructs".
I wish I could be bothered to do so .... Actually no, I don't.
And what does a GFC have to do with ownership? Let the finance and trade systems burn to the ground. There will be no ownership illusions should anyone try to take what IS mine.
And death
Are people going out of the topic or it is my English :confused:
You're right Chucaro. The topic has broadened to become about ownership vs shared use of space, as a result of some people finding it abhorrent that cyclists have the right to be respected as relatively vulnerable road users by drivers of big heavy 4WD vehicles. Sharing public space with an attitude of respect, care and consideratation for difference is my position. CheersQuote:
Originally Posted by Chucaro
The concept of ownership, of who owns public roads specifically, is a red herring. The road infrastructure is there. There are rules as to who and what can use them.
Those rules establish what are the rights and responsibilities for road users, including cyclists, when using those roads.
Outside of an expectation that cyclists will observe their responsibilities and be accorded their rights under existing road rules - what more is it that you, MrLandy, expect or believe should be accorded to cyclists? Please share some explicit points.
Yes it is shocking and it appears especially so to drivers like you and me who have never been guilty of even a moment's inattention or carelessness and have never been distracted by anything while we are driving.Quote:
Originally Posted by loneranger
It is just as well that there are some of us who are perfect and infallible and are able to set a standard of diligence and care that other mere mortals can only aspire to.
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Thanks for admitting you're perfect vnx205. I have to admit that I'm perfect too. That is why I still have three whole points on my licence, and my file at RPA is only one meter thick. :wasntme:Quote:
Originally Posted by vnx205
Folks can I please remind you of one of the basic rules of this forum:
6a) ABSOLUTELY NO RELIGIOUS DEBATE / DISCUSSION IN THE MAIN FORUM AREAS!
Please stay away from any religious comments or references.
There are several posts on this thread being discussed by the Mods that may yet disappear ... lets not add to them.
This can be on the records of "The Mother of all out of topics posts" :D