Census time again

i shall be out west somewhere
i called up last week thursday and got a paper one sent (arrived today) and will sit by candle light under the stars and fill it in.
Where I shall be, I dont know.

Yep, these people 'up in arms' about the data collection, there is plenty of info available though already existing government sources. I beleive that in todays society, people who dont want to be found have to work really hard at it, so much information is linked, driver licence / car rego / insurance / bank account / rates / rental / passport are all linked one way or another.

I cant imagine how it would be possible to survive / get by in todays world with out a bank account

This time the requirement to erase the data which connects your answers to your identity has been scrapped, which means that in the future the information you submitted will be permanently linked to your name. The census data will no longer be anonymous. By by privacy. How do you feel about your answers being kept for all time against your name? Big privacy issue, I think.

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Originally Posted by DiscoMick

This time the requirement to erase the data which connects your answers to your identity has been scrapped, which means that in the future the information you submitted will be permanently linked to your name. The census data will no longer be anonymous. By by privacy. How do you feel about your answers being kept for all time against your name? Big privacy issue, I think.

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I don't give a **** to be honest. But can you provide a link showing this to be fact?

There are some very paranoid people in here. Which in itself is amusing as your using the ultimate in privacy invasion tools to use the net...

If you're using a mobile you've been tracked since it's inception.
Got a bank account? You're tracked...
Licence? Tracked
Rego plates - tracked
Walk down the street in most places - recorded

Found the link Mick...

And it's not this year alone. Been going a while (decade at least)

http://www.abs.gov.au/websitedbs/cen...f/home/privacy

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Originally Posted by Roverlord off road spares

Then you will be included on who or what evers census where you are on that day.

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Fascinating. Last Census, I believe I was in some ghastly roadside rest stop, somewhere between Walgett and Bourke. I wonder how important to the country that little snippet was.
FFS, they can track our every move, if they so choose. Why, then, does my 98 yo mother need to be concerned that they'll fine her if she thumbs her nose at them?
More importantly, if they can do the Census online, why do I have to troll the streets looking for a parking place at a Polling Place at the bl00dy election? Far more important than a lot of statistics, I would have thought.

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Originally Posted by johntins

More importantly, if they can do the Census online, why do I have to troll the streets looking for a parking place at a Polling Place at the bl00dy election? Far more important than a lot of statistics, I would have thought.

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Exactly. Which is why on line voting is not feasible - it is too easy to corrupt, and too difficult to provide a secure audit trail, and almost impossible to prove there are neither unintentional or deliberate software bugs in every step of the voting process, from every voter's operating system, their browser, all the links to the polling system and the voting software itself. Unlike the census, individual single votes can really be important; consider the results in Herbert for example.

John

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Originally Posted by JDNSW

I don't have a mailbox, as there is no mail delivery on my road, and the gate is not locked. it is only 1.6km from the gate to the house. I pick my mail up from the village 6km (and seven gates, a creek and a river) away.

John

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John,

Like you we don't have a mailbox or delivery in our little town. We are 3kms from the Post Office & our PO Box, but just now a strange to us Falcon drove through the gate & a nice lady dropped off a Census Form to be completed manually or online should we desire. She jokingly mentioned that we can go online now & complete the form if we will be here on Tuesday night - we will wait for Tuesday. So good luck to your census person getting through your creek & river, just hope they have a Land Rover!

Nigel

So given all the information already directly linked through ATO, banks, Registries and health system etc.
Why does the Census require such immense expense and effort?
I'm no computer programmer. but am pretty sure the programmes already exist and in full use for the collation of all data and information. If it didn't I wouldn't get the targeted adds and emails from every "virtual hawker"

My biggest annoyance with every Census, without fail, is the offensive officious twerp behaving one step short of Nazi and less than half a step from getting punch in the nose.
Having moved around the country a number of times, I'm still to meet a "person" in relation to Census.

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Originally Posted by strangy

So given all the information already directly linked through ATO, banks, Registries and health system etc.
Why does the Census require such immense expense and effort?
I'm no computer programmer. but am pretty sure the programmes already exist and in full use for the collation of all data and information. If it didn't I wouldn't get the targeted adds and emails from every "virtual hawker"

My biggest annoyance with every Census, without fail, is the offensive officious twerp behaving one step short of Nazi and less than half a step from getting punch in the nose.
Having moved around the country a number of times, I'm still to meet a "person" in relation to Census.

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Have given this a little more thought after your post above and my earlier post.

What I think is that it all comes under the 'Privicy of Information' Act.
Yes, the banks, Medicare, drivers licence etc are all held, but to get that information, each person would have to consent to which ever organization interrogating each data base to extract the data.

If needed, the courts can allow that.
If the authorities are wanting to track a person, they can apply to get access to their known bank accounts and see what transactions were made when. Most Servo's have CCTV. As I said earlier, its is hard to go to the doctors or hospital with no ID and after service has been applied i.e. wounds from gunshot / beaten up treated, leave hospital, people want to know.

The census has been around for years, since 1086 in the UK (or was it just England then) and for years, no body really worried or cared I suppose.

In todays society, people hear about getting scammed on credit card and have a low level of trust for electronic data because others have made a 'game' from hacking and getting information.

This makes some people naturally wary, and then hype it up and scaremonger others.

If there are questions that you don't want to answer, just don't answer them. If you get asked, explain why you dont want to answer them, but having just looked through the census questions, ask your self, Seriously, are there any questions that REALLY bother you?

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Originally Posted by strangy

So given all the information already directly linked through ATO, banks, Registries and health system etc.
Why does the Census require such immense expense and effort?

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One of my acquaintances works for the relevant department and says it's in their charter that they have to get all their own data. There are very strict rules that they have to work under with significant penalties for workers that step outside of them. Being a stickler for planning ahead the job suits him well but he says staff turn over is high because most people don't cope with the rigidity.