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I also have a lightbar fitted on top of my bullbar, It doesn't impede my view of the road and is below the top of the bonnet (Pretty Much) and I would imagine that this would be of the least concern to some poor soul that was to be misfortunate enough to be hit by 2.5-3 tone of Disco [bigwhistle]Quote:
Oh, I also discovered my own lightbar may be illegal because it's mounted on top of the bullbar and may be a pedestrian hazard. Great!
This link for light bars (so should also apply to other lights) clears things up for all juridications EXCEPT for NSW which people are having trouble working out.
Making sense of light bar laws in each state – The Lap Year
Making sense of light bar laws in each state
September 2, 2017 admin 4x4, lighting
Having owned a 4×4 for a while now I have seen the popularity of light bars increase dramatically. I have also seen the laws really struggle to keep up. A few years ago it was actually ridiculous, the law still stated that all lights had to be mounted in pairs… Enthusiasts were putting black tape down the centre of their bars to ensure they looked like two lights and remained legal. Thankfully the laws have been reassessed since. You’d think that would mean consistent Australia wide laws on light bars, but no, unfortunately there are still some slight variances. We’ve pulled together a summary below based on the information available to us online. It should be noted that this is our interpretation of the rules and it would be wise to check the documentation we’ve linked to in each state before deeming the position you mount your LED bar legal.
Australia Wide:
- The light/s must only come on when the main-beam (high beam) headlights are used, and must automatically turn off when the main-beam headlights are turned off.
- The driving lights must be fitted with an isolator switch to allow high beam to be switched on without the driving lights also being switched on.
- Light bars can not be mounted on top of the bull bar.
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/im...018/02/722.jpg
Vic (Positions 1 is OK but 2 and 3 are open to interpretation based on the first line of the LED light bar section)
WA (Positions 1, 2 and 3 are OK)
SA (Positions 1, 2 and 3 are OK)
NT (Positions 1, 2 and 3 are OK)
QLD (Positions 1, 2 are OK but 3 is not)
ACT (Position 1 OK but 2 and 3 are not)
References to documentation in each state:
Vic
https://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/safe...driving-lights
WA
http://www.transport.wa.gov.au/media..._VS_IB_132.pdf
SA
https://www.sa.gov.au/topics/driving...nstrumentation
https://www.sa.gov.au/__data/assets/...ning-Lamps.pdf
NT
https://nt.gov.au/driving/safety/additional-lighting
QLD
https://www.tmr.qld.gov.au/-/media/S...tions/L153.pdf
ACT
https://www.accesscanberra.act.gov.au/app/answers/detail/a_id/2945/~/motor-vehicle-headlights-and-lamps
NSW/TAS
Unable to find anything concrete online
7.4 is for "Cornering Lamps"Quote:
Originally Posted by trout1105
You need to re-read the ADR to refamiliarise yourself with it.
It's not about being hit by the vehicle, it's about pedestrians injuring themselves as they walk past your car.Quote:
Originally Posted by trout1105
If there are no exposed bits that a passing pedestrian can hook or injure themselves, and it complies with other rules, it will be ok.
My lightbar, although on top of the bullbar, is not above the line of the bonnet and does not protrude forward of the bullbar. It is also smooth surfaced and slimline. Being below the line of the bonnet it does not obstruct my view. So I may be able to make an argument it does not increase the hazard to pedestrians - maybe... ?
Of course, blogs are only opinions, not legal rulings, so who knows?
L153.pdf
Frequently asked questions—vehicle standards and modifications (Department of Transport and Main Roads)
Vehicle standards instructions (Department of Transport and Main Roads)
That would be my understanding.Quote:
Originally Posted by DiscoMick
You both MISunderstand [emoji41]
this is the experiences people are having with the police. police need to be accountable for their actions and mistakes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tombie
Where did I say you "thrust a recording device in his face"?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gordie
Unless his actions warrant otherwise, I am always polite. Getting out of the vehicle, licence and logbook (if required) in hand, and recording device in the shirt pocket, and moving to a safe area (preferably in view of the dash cam). Stick your hand out, and introduce yourself, due the conditioned response in most people, you now have their name recorded. This also gives you the chance to judge their current mood/attitude.
If things appear to be escalating, or their attitude warrants it, I usually ask if they're recording it. Their response is always positive - it's a requirement for them nowadays. I then inform them that I am too, for the reasons stated earlier.
If they write you a ticket, read it before they leave. Make sure their name and other details are legible. I usually tell them to write it as a court summons, not a ticket, because I will be opposing it in court. (Unless it's a "fair cop" for something you are actually guilty of).
Most cops are fine, but the ones that aren't can cost you a months wages or more, just by being arseholes. That's where the recording is an insurance policy.
You do not need to inform someone you are recording them (provided you are a party to the conversation). How you use the recording is the bit the law is about. Use in a court of law is generally permissible.
Good advice Don....that's the way to play it.Quote:
Originally Posted by donh54
Nice people sometimes talk themselves out of a fine...
Obnoxious people always talk themselves into a fine.