Ah, Windsor. Sounds familiar.
http://www.aulro.com/afvb/technical-...ml#post2498116
I see a pattern developing.
OK, so this subject has been done to death but I thought I'd share my recent experience.
Three years ago I put four HID spotlights up on Monty's roofrack. Monty is a 2008 Defender 110 Wagon. The lights are 2 wide and 2 spots, to be precise; they're absolutely brilliant for driving in the bush at night and when Daniel (Mulgo) installed them he put them on a separate circuit, linked to the high beam.
That is to say, they can only work when the high beam is on, but even then they require a separate switch to activate them.
Last weekend I was pulled over by a Sergeant Breaden of the Northern somethingorother Highway chaps in Richmond, an hour North-West of Sydney. He gave me a ticking off for not having visible reflectors on the rear of the vehicle (oops, fair enough, they are hidden by the Rijidij bar I put on) and for having 'driving lights on the roof rack'.
A defect notice was summarily issued and for some reason he ticked the 'Full inspection required' box on the form. Thank you Sergeant. He gave me only 7 days to rectify it and get the paperwork done by the RMS or my rego would be cancelled. I remarked that I'd be lucky to get anyone where I live (Central Coast) who could do a full inspection within a week, so busy are the mechanics around here, but he cared not a jot.
After numerous phone calls, a couple of hours on hold, promised callbacks that weren't kept and conversations with remarkably unqualified staff at the RMS, I managed to speak with a chap in the Vehicle and Registrations Team who was something of an expert, to find out what the definition is of 'Driving lights' vs 'Work lights', as I was advised by a friend in the 4x4 business to call them that instead.
This chap at the RMS advised me that if I want to classify the lights as 'Work lights' and not 'Driving lights' in order to keep them on the roof rack, 'the switch to turn them on needs to be somewhere that the driver cannot reach in the normal driving position'; this ensures they cannot come on while driving.
Fair enough, I'll move the switch to the glove box and I'll re-install the lights up top. Too easy.
What occurred to me though, was that this particular officer didn't ask me anything about my lights, he pulled me over, took my licence, went to his car (which had roof lights itself of course) and came back with a form all filled out.
I've spoken with a few people who have been pulled over and had defect notices not just in the same area, but from the same person! He's got something against 4x4s apparently, or has clearly never had to drive in the bush at night.
I don't want to sound too whingey, but I think he could have handled it better. A whole lot better, in fact. A simple conversation would have probably been sufficient to get me to rectify the issue and a bit of trust is all that was required.
Anyway, it's a warning to all travelling in Windsor/ Richmond NSW that if you have a light bar or lights that are not right at the front of the vehicle, you may well get a defect notice and very little time in which to fix it.
Bobby
Ah, Windsor. Sounds familiar.
http://www.aulro.com/afvb/technical-...ml#post2498116
I see a pattern developing.
My son had the same issue with the same officer while he was driving my S3
I removed the lights
He obviously has an issue with them!!!!
Phil B
Custodian of:
1974 S3 swb wagon (sold)
1978 S3 swb canvas
48 749 '88 4x4 Perentie
1985 County with 4BD1T
Thanks for the report..
Helps in such situations to keep a calm head as you did... sadly there are some individuals (in all fields) who disagree with certain items and will pursue with rigour.
Well lodge a complaint - including the RMS response on the other case mentioned, a copy of the ADRs and NSW rules on the issue.
I have taken NSW police on a couple of issues over the years where I knew they were wrong and won out every time - there is a process and if you are right it normally works.
REMLR 243
2007 Range Rover Sport TDV6
1977 FC 101
1976 Jaguar XJ12C
1973 Haflinger AP700
1971 Jaguar V12 E-Type Series 3 Roadster
1957 Series 1 88"
1957 Series 1 88" Station Wagon
What you could have been done for:
More than 6 lights....
However - ADR 13/00 allows your roof lights.
And the common claim of "not being at the front" is sorted under:
Section 6.22.4.2
"at the front"
"This requirement is deemed to be satisfied if the light emitted does not cause discomfort to the driver either directly, or indirectly through the rear-view mirrors and/or other reflecting surfaces of the vehicle."
If your vehicle complies - I would suggest a report be lodged.
I think the key here is to get some written confirmation from the RMS that as long as they're on a different circuit AND can't be operated by the driver in the normal driving position, they are permitted to be on the roof rack.
I shall pursue this and make sure that next time the same belligerent individual tries to defect me again, I can show him the confirmation and prove to him by showing him the switch.
Such a waste of time though. I know he's a traffic cop, but for goodness' sake, get out there and do something about the lunatics driving at 140kph in unregistered vehicles and drunk drivers, don't waste time with stuff like this.
Bobby
There are occasions where it may be appropriate to have interactions recorded.
Choose wisely, however many years ago I had cause to do so with a similar individual of stunningly similar mind set.. it resolved the issue which was little more than 'bullying '
UPDATE
I spoke with a nice chap called James from the RMS who said 'It's a grey area and we get a lot of calls about it at the moment - the Police are a law unto themselves and defect who they want because who's going to spend the money on a QC to take them to court'
He recommended to me that I move the switch to a place where I can't reach it from the normal driving position and ensure the lights are on a different circuit. BUT, that's just an RMS recommendation and they can't put anything in writing and the Police will, when push comes to shove, do what they want.
Inspirational stuff there from people who are supposed to be representing the public and be held to account.
So, there we go, I'll do the switch relocation and next time old mate with the attitude problem defects me I'll at least be able to argue the case for having 'work lights' on the roof and then it's up to him. If his attitude issue prevails I'll file an official report against him.
Bobby
If you, or anyone else, thinks there's an attitude problem them take him on in writing. It's a simple process but won't fix the problem.
Either the things are legal or they ain't. I'm rebuilding my Disco and it will have lights on the rack, so if the RMS is telling you they need to be operated by a switch inaccessible from the driver seat, then okie doke. RMS man can't give recommendations and not back them up.
The police can only do what the law/ADR's allow, otherwise you have a civil claim and can start choosing the colour of your new yacht.
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