Defect Notice for Roof Rack Lights

**Eevo** · 26th February 2018, 03:56 PM

Originally Posted by Saulman1010

hose who are bad, or perhaps lets say unfair, rarely last long.

or get promoted

**rangieman** · 26th February 2018, 05:29 PM

Nsw Highway Patrol bloody Nazi`s

Nsw living up to that long reputation of a police state

Tombie · 26th February 2018, 05:35 PM

So because of the actions of one individual we’re going onto a Cop bashing tangent are we?

**trout1105** · 26th February 2018, 05:47 PM

Originally Posted by Tombie

So because of the actions of one individual we’re going onto a Cop bashing tangent are we?

Why Not with so many people ignoring the reg's and not having the ability to be able to take ownership of their own mistakes there is a Need for a scapegoat

Without the Copers on the roads the carnage would be far worse than it already is and they are only Human after all and mistakes will and do happen from time to time.
They do a mostly "Thankless" job and Bagging them really isn't helpful Guys and IF you do have a genuine grievance then take it to the police station and get it "Sorted", Whinging about and bagging Coppers especially by naming them here is pointless.

**Gordie** · 26th February 2018, 05:54 PM

In this state, not sure about NSW, a police officer only has to suspect that a motor vehicle does not meet ADR's in order to defect it. He doesn't have to prove it.

IF he has conducted himself in a less than professional manner....go to a police station and fill out a complaint form. You can't complain about him doing is job, ie suspecting a defect and defecting you for it....but if he has been rude, you can complain about that.

As for jumping out of a vehicle, and thrusting a recording device in an officers face, whilst demanding his name and number...yes you can do it...but I can tell you from experience, it is going to cost you a fine and a defect, when it could merely have been a friendly chat that you were pulled over for.

Police officers are human, yes there are some over zealous ones...but there are a lot who are reasonable. But if you get their backs up, even the reasonable ones will sting you.

**Mick_Marsh** · 26th February 2018, 08:24 PM

Originally Posted by DiscoMick

For example I under stand that roof rack lights are illegal for the road because they are too high under the rules about the height of lights, because they might dazzle on-coming drivers.

Do you have rules in legislation that back up that understanding?

Have a read of the "fog light" thread.

**Mick_Marsh** · 26th February 2018, 08:26 PM

Originally Posted by Grumbles

KJ Jeep Cherokees came from the factory with roof lights at the front and were sold here with them so they must have met ADRs. This might be worth some investigation to see how Jeep got around the 'no roof light' rule.

Easy. There is no "no roof light" rule.
I can't find it.

**trout1105** · 26th February 2018, 08:37 PM

Originally Posted by Mick_Marsh

Easy. There is no "no roof light" rule.
I can't find it.

Here you go Mick;
http://www.comlaw.gov.au/Details/F20...f-844000bab145
7.4.4.2. In Height: No higher than the passing beam (dipped beam) headlamp.

So unless your low beams are fitted to the roof fitting driving lights to the roof is a "No No"

**101RRS** · 26th February 2018, 08:45 PM

That is 2005/2007 - that is out of date - was changed about 18 months - 2 years ago.

DiscoMick · 26th February 2018, 08:51 PM

Originally Posted by Mick_Marsh

Do you have rules in legislation that back up that understanding?

Have a read of the "fog light" thread.

So I had a look around, knowing this issue is a minefield, and what I read just confirmed the issue is a simmering pot of confusion. So from what I can figure out:

ADR 13 appears to allow roof mounted lights, but they must be wired through the headlights so they turn off with low beam. Must also have their own off switch.

7.3 of ADR13 says additional driving lights have to be fitted 'at the front' of the vehicle and wired through the headlights so they only come on with high beam.

They must not dazzle on-coming drivers.

9.2 says NC category vehicle headlights must not be higher than 1372mm from the centre of the headlight to the ground, but does that apply to lightbars? I don't know.

Vehicle Standard (Australian Design Rule 13/00 - Installation of Lighting and Light Signalling Devices on other than L-Group Vehicles) 2005

Queensland says vehicles have to comply with ADR13. Not sure about other states.

This might be where the OP goes down because his 'work lights' were not 'at the front of the vehicle' and were not wired through the headlights.

I couldn't find any reference to work lights, but maybe it's there somewhere.

There is argument about whether ADR13 only applies to vehicle manufacturers or also covers aftermarket lights.

Every state seems to have its own interpretation of the rules. There is a simple language summary here:

Raising the Bar – Do You Know How & Where You're Allowed to Install Your LED Lightbar? |

Be interested to hear what others find.

Oh, I also discovered my own lightbar may be illegal because it's mounted on top of the bullbar and may be a pedestrian hazard. Great!

This article was a useful summary, I thought.

LED Light Bar Installation Laws – A Continued State of Confusion |

Disclaimer: This isn't legal advice and I'm just a mug punter, so you're on your own and don't blame me if you go down in a screaming heap.

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