Thread: Law & Order is STUFFED.

Yes, the posts here are evidence of a major problem. BUT, what are you wingers going to do about it. Get off your bums, stand up , and make a difference. Do something about it. Stop standing back and watching, get involved. Could be something as simple as talking to your neighbour. STOP ****ing complaining, DO something.

Yes it is , but some laws I would like to be repealed seem a far way off. Until then I will support those who are outside the current legiation.

Originally Posted by bob10

Yes, the posts here are evidence of a major problem. BUT, what are you wingers going to do about it. Get off your bums, stand up , and make a difference. Do something about it. Stop standing back and watching, get involved. Could be something as simple as talking to your neighbour. STOP ****ing complaining, DO something.

Impossiblle Bob.
Plenty of us are trying,....talking to our local polies etc, wrriting to the press etc etc etc.
Mate, NO-ONE wants to listen,...it's all the "softly softly" approach down here,...bail after bail, after bail,.....etc etc etc,. ..I know several members of the local Force,....they are ****ed off, they're doing their best, BUT THEY ARE RAPIDLY losing faith,...what can they do,....they pick ém up, get hit, abused etc etc etc, and then these scum get released on bail.
In the Paper today, a Sudi threatens to rape & kill polies, Police say there are no African gangs in Melbourne,.....absolute bull****.
We are being over run by do-gooders,....and everyday things are getting worse,...I doubt we have the police numbers to properly handle what is happening in Melbourne now.
But hey, don't take my word for it, just read the local press, or better still,..."Google"!
Pickles.

Originally Posted by bob10

Yes, the posts here are evidence of a major problem. BUT, what are you wingers going to do about it. Get off your bums, stand up , and make a difference. Do something about it. Stop standing back and watching, get involved. Could be something as simple as talking to your neighbour. STOP ****ing complaining, DO something.

I fully agree Mate.
The trouble is that if you do intervene or do something you are seen as an aggressor, vigilante or you are infringing on someone's civil liberties, For example giving the next door neighbours kid a clip over the ear if you catch him/her stealing instead of calling the Cops.
With all this rampant "Political Correctness" it is very difficult for the average person to do anything, Personally I have absolutely NO problem doing this sort of thing.
Back when I was a kid the community was pretty much Self Policed and the anti social behaviour that is common today was a very very rare event indeed.

One worthwhile action when upset about a court decision is to

get the transcript of the case and see for yourself what actually happened and the reasons for the decision. Often there are reasons which are not reported by the media. Also useful is to seek the sentencing guidelines, which are made by governments, and see what rules the magistrate /judge was required to follow. Government's set the sentencing laws, but when there is controversy they blame the magistrates for being soft, when actually the magistrates were just following the rules set by the politicians.
Often, their hands are tied by governments. It is governments which set sentencing rules, but when there is controversy the politicians blame the magistrates. Magistrates/judges are banned from making public statements on their cases, so they have to stay silent while politicians sensationalise to chase votes.
I have a relative who is a senior magistrate so we have had some interesting discussions about this. He says it is a high stress position because some people think the magistrate is wrong no matter what decision is made. He has had to take stress leave at times to cope. Many people who come before the courts deny their actions and lie. Police are not always truthful either.
It is never as simple as the media and politicians pretend. For example, when politicians toughen penalties to win votes, the tougher penalties actually do nothing to change behaviour because people assume they won't get caught, so they don't even think about the penalty they might suffer if convicted.

For example, politicians focus on punishing people because that wins votes from the public. However magistrates are required to consider both punishment and rehabilitation when sentencing. Magistrates have to consider what sentence might encounrage the person to improve their behaviour. If a person responds well to counselling and reform programme, should they get credit for that? It's not as simple as the media pretends.

Originally Posted by Pickles2

Impossiblle Bob.
Plenty of us are trying,....talking to our local polies etc, wrriting to the press etc etc etc.
Mate, NO-ONE wants to listen,...it's all the "softly softly" approach down here,...bail after bail, after bail,.....etc etc etc,. ..I know several members of the local Force,....they are ****ed off, they're doing their best, BUT THEY ARE RAPIDLY losing faith,...what can they do,....they pick ém up, get hit, abused etc etc etc, and then these scum get released on bail.
In the Paper today, a Sudi threatens to rape & kill polies, Police say there are no African gangs in Melbourne,.....absolute bull****.
We are being over run by do-gooders,....and everyday things are getting worse,...I doubt we have the police numbers to properly handle what is happening in Melbourne now.
But hey, don't take my word for it, just read the local press, or better still,..."Google"!
Pickles.

Didn't I read the Victorian Government was hiring 3000 extra police, or something like that?

Originally Posted by trout1105

I copped a couple of thick ears from the Police Sargent back when I was just a lad for "Stuffing Up" and it did me NO harm whatsoever, Spare to rod and spoil the child make good sense