In NSW it's an offence to have them inside the windows even without tinting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Roverlord off road spares
I rarely see them inside as it does get enforced. :coplight:
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In NSW it's an offence to have them inside the windows even without tinting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Roverlord off road spares
I rarely see them inside as it does get enforced. :coplight:
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Originally Posted by Tombie
Sat theory test at local station as soon as it opened on my birthday and had to wait while paperwork was sent to Adelaide.Quote:
Originally Posted by bee utey
'L' plates had to be used for a minimum of 14 days.
Back to said station for the practical test with the local Senior conny and then let loose on the world.
Motor bike test was booked soon after and did a lap around town being followed by same officer who told me off for not indicating enough but passed me anyway. :confused:
Circa 1976. :)
There are Pros and cons weeds - and like everything, everyone has an opinion.
Not me but a close relative... He went to the police station when he was old enough. They said "I already know you are a good driver, I have seen you driving your father's (8 tonne) truck through town with a full load..."Quote:
Originally Posted by Tombie
P-plates did not exist when I got my licence - no separate theory test either, just verbal questions from the cop. And all you had to do to get a learner's was to pay up and fill in a form. This was in Parramatta, not out in the sticks. Four years later I got a Qld licence "out in the sticks" in Aramac. Just a matter of showing my NSW licence at the Police Station, and my licence was unquestioningly upgraded to anything not articulated.
Driving test included a hill start and a reverse parallel parking test. Myself and my twin brother did the test one after the other - he failed on reverse parking. For an interesting reason - we had borrowed an aunt's Austin A-30, because Dad's car had a wonky clutch at the time, which complicated driving. The A-30 was about a foot narrower. Remembering that in those days no cars had outside mirrors on either side, it is more surprising that I managed to reverse park it close enough to the kerb rather than that he did not manage it.
John
Yeah yeah we are all old farts and P's weren't around...
Q was, did you think they are needed or indeed effective.
I think most drivers don't even notice that they are fitted.
Just another useless piece of plastic with no real purpose polluting the world.
Government requires this so they can take more money off the kids when they don't or forget to display them.:D
Yes I think they are effective..
They make the vehicle a target for police scrutiny, and they make the surrounding drivers aware of their noob status.
I'm an extra level of cautious around P platers; they can be a little more erratic..
Yes, I think the P plates are a good idea, as Tombie comments. I don't think special speed limits for them (or L-plates either) are a good idea though.
There are two reasons for this - vehicles driving at 90 in a 110 zone on a two lane road with infrequent passing lanes (e.g. Newell or Mitchell Highways) are a severe traffic hazard, especially when there is no good reason for it. Further, limiting the speed of L and P drivers means that by the time they get an unrestricted licence, they have had no legal instruction in driving at normal highway speeds.
Most states do not think this restriction is necessary, and I am unaware of any statistics suggesting otherwise.
John
Would far rather learners were obliged to have a certain number of professional hours instruction than a long period on P plates.
I know the affordabilty argument against, but if lessons are unaffordable how can you buy and maintain a vehicle in safe condition?
Having an extended P plate period seems like a lazy "solution" that does little to address the underlying cause.
I don't think the affordability argument really stacks up, as people will find the money if they want a licence badly enough. I know refugees who pay for driving lessons from their limited incomes.
I've also sat with L- platers so they could get driving experience. It took them a long time to get their hours up because they were honest in filling out the log book.
Unfortunately, there seem to be cases of the log book system being abused, from what I hear.
Personally, I think it would be good if there was a requirement for some professional driver training. The aim would be not to turn out racing drivers, but to practice basic road skills for safe driving and to make people aware of how bad the results can be if it goes wrong. Everyone should have to inspect a blood-soaked vehicle wreck and meet disabled victims at least once in their life, I think.