Turning left at Red Lights

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Originally Posted by bee utey

.... Put a prominent bubble car in clear view of the yobs then compliance with the speed sign approaches 99%. Most people simply can't be bothered to concentrate on safe driving.

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Here in Vic(Melb) we have our Ring road.
Not quite a proper Ring road(yet) as it doesn't so much ring around Melbourne, as it does more like a half arc.

They're upgrading the western side with extra lanes, and so 5 lanes merge into two at present.
(WAYY!!) Too many idiots use the emergency lane as their own personal express lane, and most of the time they get away with it, but on a few occasions now we've had quite idiotic ignorance of drivers casing accidents doing so, and one major incident leading to a fatality(where the poor guy was changing a flat tyre and a drugged out moron killed him at about 80k/h .. straight into the rear of the obviously stranded car in the emergency lane)

Anyhow, I was sitting in the left lane on this '5 lanes into 2 section', and just passed a cop booking one of those ignorant selfish yobs(we'll call that one moron #1) using the emergency lane as their express lane.
Maybe 5 mins later, cop obviously finalised making his few quid with moron number 1, when moron number 2 jumped into the emergency lane right behind me .. with the cop car just behind us both(in the emergency lane!)

There must have been at least 50-100m to the off ramp that every one is in a major hurry to get too(hence the use of the emergency lane) .. and of course 5 sec after moron number 2 jumped into the emergency lane .. cop unleashes the lights and horns and .. well there goes a few hundred dollars to the State Revenue Office(plus I think 3 demerit points off moron #2's license).

Sitting at this section of road can take up to 10 mins to get from one on ramp to the next off ramp, and it's about 2klms .. and you'd see at least a hundred of these morons using the emergency lane to save that -5-10mins.
"Everyone" knows this area is heavily policed, yet they still do so!

Time poor, they may well be .. but sense appears to be the major deficit for most!

Good Grief.
the Yanks have been doing this since time immemorial.
They of course turn right on red for all those nitpickers.
Surely if they can do it we can too.

Regards Philip A

In NSW there are some intersections with a sign saying "left turn on red after stopping" Seems to work well

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Originally Posted by jx2mad

In NSW there are some intersections with a sign saying "left turn on red after stopping" Seems to work well

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Yes,same here, works well,anything to relieve some of the horrendous congestion on the roads here is a benefit.

They are talking about letting it happen at any intersection with or without out the "turn left on red after stopping" signage. Cant bring it in quick enough.

The trouble is many drivers,particularly the ones that drive only on weekends,are totally lost at any intersection where there is not a sign or traffic light telling them what to do.[bigsad]

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Originally Posted by PhilipA

Good Grief.
the Yanks have been doing this since time immemorial.
They of course turn right on red for all those nitpickers.
Surely if they can do it we can too.

Regards Philip A

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Yes it does work - turn right on red in North america.
They also have 4way stops - I really can not see that happening here.

I think Left hand turn on red is a good idea.

I reckon the so called "time poor" should get out of bed earlier. There were light controlled intersections here which had Give Way signs for those turning left but I notice that these have now been changed to being light controlled obviously because of the accident rate.
Those who've never been here cannot know the standard of driving here being so bad, even the cops aren't that flash as they consider the right hand lane to be theirs and will travel miles in it before chopping over into the left just prior to turning.
And that's just one example of their poor training so if they are that bad, there's not much hope for the population at large with no good example being set.
AlanH.

There is one near me......the side street is a small single lane and they turn onto a dual lane.....on two accassions I have been in the right hand lane and had cars turn into the left lane...scared the **** out of me as I didn't know it was a turn left anytime after stopping....

I tooted and flashed my lights thinking they may not have been concentrating.

After the second time I doubled back to see if the lights were working from the side street than noticed the sign (never driven down that side street).

I kinda feel bad for giving two ladies a bit of a hurry up thinking they ran a red light.

Trying to get used to having traffic lights in town,I think the Shire will have to ban them like Albany did[bigsmile][bigsmile][bigsmile][bigsmile]
We have a portable set,no good anymore,went under water in the shire depot during the recent floods.
Can see pedestrians getting flattened at these turn left on red lights,not good for the aged and infirm.
Andrew

Been in Brisbane for a while. Still feels wrong when actually doing it. The sign says " when safe to do so". That interpretation seems to vary between drivers at times, but it seems to work.

To me this is more "natural " than a round a bout. After many years I still feel out of place using them. Since the left on red has come into effect I find myself more at ease. Just hard pointing out to some that the sign says its so .