Sea Shepherd

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Originally posted by CraigE
Good to see an organization that backs up their ideals with actions. Something that our navy and government should be doing. There should be no need for organizations like this to exist, but there is.

http://www.seashepherd.org

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And what do you suggest our Navy do? It is on the high seas, the whalers, I am sorry to say are operating within the resolutions of the whaling commission - while I don't like it, it is the greenies that are doing the moral but illegal actions. What if the whalers escalate - what then - or the Japanese Navy provides protection for their flag ships - what then.

Or if the whalers formally call on the nearest nation (Aust) to defend them from the pirate greenies - Aust will almost have an obligation to respond - and if we don't and a ship is lost - we can be charged for failing to render assistance when questioned

We will end up with the Cod Wars of the 60s where all of a sudden it was not only fishing boats having a go at each other - warships also get involved.

Action can only be taken by diplomatic means and through the whaling commission - this sort of action does nothing.

Garry

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Originally posted by Andrewpv01

And if they are fishing in Australian waters they should be sunk :twisted: :twisted:

Andrew

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They are not in Australian waters - if they were they wouldn't be whaling

Who are these so called "Greenies" anyway.

Are they the ones who suggested that fuel prices would rise?

Are they the ones who predicted global warming?

Are they the ones who stopped the damming of the Franklin and Gordon Rivers?

Are they the ones that urged the cleaning of the Thames?

Are they the ones who suggested that some more water should be returned to the Snowy River?

Are they the ones who insist that power consumption ratings are shown on washing machines etc,

Are they the ones who have suggested that we conserve water during droughts.

Are they the ones who plant trees.

WHAT HAVE THE GREENIES EVER DONE FOR US?

Sorry I was only thinking of our own extinction :oops:

I think that it was John Ruskin in the 19th Century who said that the we should leave the world better than we would wish our grand children to see it

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Originally posted by garrycol+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(garrycol)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-Andrewpv01

And if they are fishing in Australian waters they should be sunk :twisted: :twisted:

Andrew

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They are not in Australian waters - if they were they wouldn't be whaling[/b][/quote]

Unfortunately they are in waters that Australia has layed claim to - however there are so many claims to the waters in Antartica, and most claimants don't recognise anyone else's claims :?

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Originally posted by rmp+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(rmp)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-JamesH
I like whales very much and dislike countries that go whaling very much but I have an intense hatred of dopey feral dole bludging bolshie enviro peace loopies that everytime I see one or hear of one I want to find the nearest whale and stuff a cute seal puppy down its blowhole.

It's probably best for all concerned if I stay away the the politics threads.

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No, stay involved, that's the funniest thing I've read today!!!!!!

I'm like most others, I'm all for shared, responsible use of the environment. I'd support anti-whaling movements. On the other hand if I half killed a roo on the road I'd turn round and finish it off not take it to the vet.[/b][/quote]

I have both finished off a few roo's that I have hit and taken one to be raised by WIRES ( Joey in mothers pouch that I hit).

I agree with sustainable use of all natural resources.

I should have clarified that if any ship is whaling/fishing in Australian waters they should be sunk and their crews imprisoned for X years.

Andrew

We might have laid claim to the waters but it is not recognised by anyone else and we are not in a position to enforce that claim (it would be thrown out in the international court) and under the Antarctic Treaty to which Aust is a signatory there are no territorial or economic claims permitted.

garry

Hi all,
I think sustainable is the theme here. I don't mind eatin' any critter as long as the population is sustained and managed. If the Japs just came out and said:
"we ain't researching 'em, we're eatin' 'em and here's our sustainment management plan"
The world would be happier.
As for the Sea Shepard vessel, had a close look at it when docked in Gods toilet (Melb) a few weeks ago, real Captain Silver stuff, all black, including the flag which was black with a white logo (almost thought it was the skull and crossbones) https://www.aulro.com/afvb/
Interesting to see what would happen if they sunk one of Jap boats :roll:

Regards
Ralph

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>And what do you suggest our Navy do? It is on the high seas, the whalers, I am sorry to say are operating within the resolutions of the whaling commission - while I don't like it, it is the greenies that are doing the moral but illegal actions. What if the whalers escalate - what then - or the Japanese Navy provides protection for their flag ships - what then.

Or if the whalers formally call on the nearest nation (Aust) to defend them from the pirate greenies - Aust will almost have an obligation to respond - and if we don't and a ship is lost - we can be charged for failing to render assistance when questioned

We will end up with the Cod Wars of the 60s where all of a sudden it was not only fishing boats having a go at each other - warships also get involved.

Action can only be taken by diplomatic means and through the whaling commission - this sort of action does nothing.

Garry
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Garry,
They have been spotted with no dispute whaling in Australian Antarctic waters and inside the Antarctic whale marine reserve. The issue with the whaling supply ship and greenpeace / sea shepherd ships proves this unreservedly and it is in these waters that the Australian government is obligated to take action via international treaty. However they just can not be bothered. It is a shame that a group from the other side of the world has to come down and attempt to protect these mammals. Scientific research what an absolute crock and most politicians are too scared or feeble minded to actually speak out and take actions against the unneccessary slaughter. The only real deterrent is to give the Navy, Customs or a private group authority to sink these vessels. We confiscate boats and burn them from Indonesian Fishermen. I have no recollection of ever seeing a whaling ship confiscated, however the Australian Navy have been sent after fishing boats doing a similar thing and apprehended them, confiscating the catch and vessel. Why, because it has a commercial effect on Australia. Customs and the Navy need better funding so they can do their job better. I know most Naval personnel and Customs Officers are very disappointed when all they can do is watch.

The area you speak of where arrests have been made is in the Australian Economic Exclusion zone around Australian territory. In the southern waters we also patrol the high seas under our role in the Convention for the Conservation of Antarctic Marine Living Resources (CCAMLR) but unfortunately have no power to arrest these vessels (toothfish pirates) unless they have been spotted fishing in our economic exclusion zone.

Unfortunately the same does not apply to whales around Antarctica as any territorial claims on Antarctica by Australia cannot be supported internationally - that is why we only patrol waters around the Macquarie and Heard and McDonald Islands and not the 200 mile limit around our claims in Antarctica - the whale sanctury does not have any international standing. Note no whaling is being conducted in the Australia EEC.

We need to to get the whaling commission to ban these scientific kills and we have made significant inroads as was shown by the last vote - however we are not there yet. The problem with these actions (not so much by Greenpeace) but by the other group is that they will alienate the wavering countries that we have been working on to support us and if they begin to feel sorry for for Japan and Norway and vote with them next time - it won't be just scientific kills but the whole moritorium of whale hunting could be lifted - now that would be a disaster.

You say - sink the boats - despite what we might think they are legal and what happens if the Japanese Navy decides to provide protection for their legal but immoral hunts - it just escalates the issue but doesn't resolve it.

Garry

unfortunity i think think it will ever stop

all for sensiable use of the world resource, if we are getting short on things than we should leave them alone

whilist i'm not a greeny its a full time job trying to stop my six and two year loving everything they catch in the back yard to death