It is more for the safety factor we are led to believe [wink11]and also on public TV [bighmmm]Quote:
Originally Posted by Vern
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It is more for the safety factor we are led to believe [wink11]and also on public TV [bighmmm]Quote:
Originally Posted by Vern
"Yeah, but hey, we was making money! WTF is wrong with that!?!?"Quote:
Originally Posted by rangieman
There are so many things wrong in that video it beggars belief. Thought you all would like it.
1; Why were these allegedly experienced fishermen unaware of the tide?
2; Why, if it had a defective brake line as stated, was the 79 series even there?
3; Why did they expect the 79 series, brakes or no, in soft sand, not to be pulled towards the HiLux which was axle deep or more in very wet sand?
4; Why did 'Simon', in the 79 series, turn across the 'dune' as he tried to snatch the other car?
5; Why, after they got the Hilux to move maybe three metres, did they not shorten the snatch? What, there were three straps?
One word answer to all of that. Panic. Oh, except for the brake line thing. That is stupidity, no more, no less. Bring it out, maybe. Continue on? No.
I'm sure you can all find more questions to ask. These blokes make money for doing this....
There was a recall on the 79 series for defective brakelines. May be they hadn't had the recall done and it became an issue whilst there.
I like the show and in their defenceQuote:
Originally Posted by johntins
1- The crossing was for the cameraman who missed their previos crossing so a quick across and back with water in the gutter a bonus .Tide not aissue at that point
2- So it had a brake problem What would you do ? Do a Puma and call up a tilt tray or seal it and carry on bearing in mind driving in that flat coastal country with even no brakes is not a big issue
3- The 79 properly dug in with some brakes.Jason with some digging, max tracs and some assistance worth while trying the winch
4- Probably to get to more tractable ground but not the best option
5- Why would you shorten the snatch strap? The closer you get to the vegetation the more stable the ground
AM
The show is fine, if you like that sort of thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ancient Mariner
1.So, they decided to do another crossing for the camera. Maybe that was not a good idea. The tide became an issue minutes later, which they should have foreseen.
2. A defective vehicle is a defective vehicle. They have a support crew, they could have fixed it. Have a look at the load the 79 had, and was towing.
3. It was clearly stated in the vid that the reason the 79 couldn't winch was the brake problem.I have looked at that vid many times, and I see no evidence of the 79 digging in. They don't even show the winching part. Maybe you have seen more in the actual show.
4. Indeed.
5. The whole purpose of 'snatching' is to jerk the car into motion, using the elasticity of the strap to impart some energy into the stuck car. The multiple straps defeat that purpose, as the energy is absorbed by the straps themselves, which can be seen in that vid. If reaching the vegetation was the goal, I ask again, why did he turn?
Sorry, but it was all pretty unprofessional, and someone could have been killed. The video reinforces Tank's point.
A recall like that would have been a mandatory one. No excuse. Toyota would have notified all the owners. They even follow up on vehicles sold second hand on safety recalls.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vern
If you can't agree a snatch with 3- 4 straps from better ground is better than 1 or 2 from crap ground you probably agree with Tank on 2 to 1 snatch block winching not that we want to go there again:wallbash:Quote:
Originally Posted by johntins
AM
I am not aware of Tank's theories there, AM. Maybe I should go and look, to see if you're right. However, the 3 -4 strap argument would be better put if those guys had actually got to better ground. Simon did once, briefly, and I still don't understand why he chose to turn on the very next attempt, and thus tip his vehicle over.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ancient Mariner
Please note: I'm not saying I could have done better, given the circumstances ( well, apart from the fact that if you are going to snatch, do it in a straight line, obviously ), but I would have tried not to put myself in that position in the first place.
As you don't agree with my posts on gaining a Mechanical advantage with a snatch block, and BTW they are NOT my Theories or Ideas, they are straight from 40 + years of rigging and straight from the riggers guide, of which you seem to ignore because you're too ignorant to read it and learn. If I'm and all of the Published literature are so wrong why don't you show us how you get a mechanical advantage of 2 from a stationary snatch block.
If you can't then it might pay not to talk **** behind my back, if you have a problem and you really believe that a snatch block can do what you say then come out and prove it or shut the **** up, Regards Frank.
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Originally Posted by Ancient Mariner