Longest confirmed kill @ 3.450km

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Originally Posted by Andy130

Fair point re the zero and charts wraithe - thanks mate. I was just using 700 as I doubt the sniper would have zeroed at 100 -perhaps more like 500 - but I was more interested to see drop in the calculator and randomly picked 700 :-)

Impressive numbers all around in regards to the rest of your post - I'd like to own a 300wm eventually -I've shot the .338 but not the .50.

And believe me, as a bow hunter, all of those calibres mentioned, including the .22 have more kinetic energy at 3km that I can get at 30 metres [biggrin]

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Bow hunters are the best stalkers, I just wish I could make the arrows go straight... I can hit a tree with one, to my left or right without aiming...

In .50 cal I have only used the Browning 50, whilst in the army... Not my preferred calibre...

The 300wm has some balls but with my age and health it leaves a mark... Mind you, I still use it...

The .338 LM was a calibre I looked at before the 300wm, but the projectile size was overkill for what I wanted and maybe the 300 a little over the top too but at least I can use smaller projectiles...

I think i'll invest in a rifle around the .25 calibre in a few years... Was discussing with someone only yesterday about the .204 he uses on fox's, pretty impressive with the load he uses and like me he doesn't chase velocity with his reloads, thus its quite accurate and gentle too...

Big rifles are fun for a shot or two but realistically it comes down to the use, the range, the cost and if you really do want it... me its the use, cost and do I really need it...

What I love is my little old .22 and my grandfathers .22 that mum gave me when she passed away....They are precious!

PS the rifles snipers use for long shots are probably sighted in at 700 plus, those long shots require a lot of rise in the reticle and thus I would expect the scope to raised on the forward mount... The idea of using a 100yd zero with balistics software, gives you a good idea of trajectory, for sighting or range ballistics, then yes, they would use a greater sight in range to match the clicks required on the scope...

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Originally Posted by BMKal

Yep ................................. and then the bullet ricocheted and was found on the footpath outside Paddy's Bar in Kalgoorlie. [bigwhistle]

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Its not a joke BMKal...

I cant get the friend who fired his rifle to back it up, he was killed in a ball mill accident about the time I left the Army... But I can say, he was not prone to bar room bu*&^%$t...

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Originally Posted by Wraithe

I think i'll invest in a rifle around the .25 calibre in a few years... Was discussing with someone only yesterday about the .204 he uses on fox's, pretty impressive with the load he uses and like me he doesn't chase velocity with his reloads, thus its quite accurate and gentle too...

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I found the remington .17 centrefire a spectacular round for foxes - simply a necked down .223 that can punch out 4000 fps with a match barrel and hand loads. I'll get one again one day....oh to have an unlimited budget haha.

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You may not believe it, but I was young when it happened, just bought my first rifle...He warned me that it can go further than you think...

When our friend reported to the police, with the possibilty it was his shot, they didn't believe him...

But right trajectory, and angle, from where he fired, it was his shot... I remember him saying, he was too scared to see his mates misses at the time until his friend came and ask that he go see her, of course all was forgiven, but everyone was astounded that a little .22 could travel so far... Technically speaking, it would have been as far as the bullet could travel, so dont believe these projectiles just fall out of the sky so close...

My son has put a round, 20 yards short of a 750yd target, inline with a 30/30... Another calibre everyone thinks is no good for more than 150 yards...

The idea of an effective range (or point blank range) is misleading, thats the range of shooting effectively for an accurate shot, not the ability of that projectile to not be able to travel further...

I use 4 inch point blank ranges, my 30/30 is good for 350 metres, the projectile travels 4 inch high to 4 inches low over that distance, thus an 8 inch diameter kill zone... makes it great for the blocks around home...

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I just find it amazing that a bloke shot a rifle towards town and out of the 500 or so inhabitants the one he hit just happened to hit his mates wife,what a coincidence [bigwhistle].Just to let you know how amazing that shot is,I shot 200m fly yesterday with my .22 shooting S&B subsonics,the elevation to get to 200m from a 50m zero in my combo is 74'' or just over 6',he must have some powerfull subsonic's to shoot a further 2800mtr's to gut shoot his mates wife. Pat

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Originally Posted by Wraithe

Bow hunters are the best stalkers, I just wish I could make the arrows go straight... I can hit a tree with one, to my left or right without aiming...

In .50 cal I have only used the Browning 50, whilst in the army... Not my preferred calibre...

The 300wm has some balls but with my age and health it leaves a mark... Mind you, I still use it...

The .338 LM was a calibre I looked at before the 300wm, but the projectile size was overkill for what I wanted and maybe the 300 a little over the top too but at least I can use smaller projectiles...

I think i'll invest in a rifle around the .25 calibre in a few years... Was discussing with someone only yesterday about the .204 he uses on fox's, pretty impressive with the load he uses and like me he doesn't chase velocity with his reloads, thus its quite accurate and gentle too...

Big rifles are fun for a shot or two but realistically it comes down to the use, the range, the cost and if you really do want it... me its the use, cost and do I really need it...

What I love is my little old .22 and my grandfathers .22 that mum gave me when she passed away....They are precious!

PS the rifles snipers use for long shots are probably sighted in at 700 plus, those long shots require a lot of rise in the reticle and thus I would expect the scope to raised on the forward mount... The idea of using a 100yd zero with balistics software, gives you a good idea of trajectory, for sighting or range ballistics, then yes, they would use a greater sight in range to match the clicks required on the scope...

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To be honest the bigger guns are overrated IMHO.I Camel shoot yearly,I shoot Norma 160grn RN projectiles in my 6.5x55,174grn Woodleigh in my 303 and 220grn woodleigh in my 8x57,all three cleanly take 1000kg bulls with chest shots,my mates shoot 300 win mag,338 win mag,338 Lapua and 338/378 Weatherby,last year I got the most,the 303 in particular is fast,10 shots in a mob is a big advantage,the 8mm is slower but has a noticeable step up in performance,the 6.5x55 has nailed my biggest bull to date,a very under rated cartridge that one. Pat

I have a .243 and it is a great little all rounder and inherently accurate.
Great for bowling foxes over and it will also bowl a beast over when needed and with bugger all recoil.
They are also very economical to reload as well [thumbsupbig]

"I just find it amazing that a bloke shot a rifle towards town and out of the 500 or so inhabitants the one he hit just happened to hit his mates wife, what a coincidence"


Stranger things have happened. I remember reading about Robert Stanford Tuck (WWII RAF fighter pilot) in a book called "The role of luck in air warfare". The poor bugger had the misfortune to kill his brother-in-law by complete fluke. See wiki entry below.

"Tuck had an extraordinary piece of ill-fortune when he intercepted a German bomber heading towards Cardiff. He fired at extreme range in poor light, causing it to jettison its bombs in open countryside instead of on the city. The last of its stick of bombs caught one corner of an army training camp and killed one soldier. The soldier was the husband of Tuck's sister."


One tiny bomb fragment hit his brother in law in the back of the head and killed him while he was camping/sleeping in a field full of other soldiers. Incidentally, he was the only casualty. Life is bloody weird at the best of times! [biggrin]

Those long range shots are amazing.

I dropped a large Boar running flat out not long ago, with the .243 at 220yds and thought i was doing well.When i got to it,it was stone dead,a heart shot.

Apparently not[bigwhistle]

On the same trip,at night i head shot a wild cat at about 80m with the .222,only to find it had a rabbit in its mouth.The bullet went through the two of them and made a nice mess of them.

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To be honest the bigger guns are overrated IMHO.I Camel shoot yearly,I shoot Norma 160grn RN projectiles in my 6.5x55,174grn Woodleigh in my 303 and 220grn woodleigh in my 8x57,all three cleanly take 1000kg bulls with chest shots,my mates shoot 300 win mag,338 win mag,338 Lapua and 338/378 Weatherby,last year I got the most,the 303 in particular is fast,10 shots in a mob is a big advantage,the 8mm is slower but has a noticeable step up in performance,the 6.5x55 has nailed my biggest bull to date,a very under rated cartridge that one. Pat

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About 82' was working on a property, use to shoot donkeys and camels with a .243, either the boss or myself... Fed them to the pigs... I know I dont need much of a calibre to kill, but hey if you can get something odd, then do so... Going after fox's with a .22 has always been fun but now i am no longer a kid and can afford what I want, i'll use the rifles I buy... maybe over kill for some things, so use smaller... 30/30-300 is no good for rabbits, but then if I do another trip to NZ for deer, no point taking the .22 or .17...

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Originally Posted by Andy130

I found the remington .17 centrefire a spectacular round for foxes - simply a necked down .223 that can punch out 4000 fps with a match barrel and hand loads. I'll get one again one day....oh to have an unlimited budget haha.

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Read about Remington.17... Has some interesting ballistics...

A friend of mine was interested in buying one, but the big C has got in the way...

There are a lot of calibres being sold now that started as wildcats, incredible the amount of straying from the norm has resulted in some amazing hunting calibres... the history of the 22-250 is one that goes a very long way back to being a wildcat...