Thread: Britain to ban diesel and petrol vehicles

Originally Posted by Wraithe

What about the tractors too, could you imagine a farmer having a power failure.. No diesel generator thus no tractor recharge...

I'd love to see how things would go in the bush, electric trucks, tractors, cars, we would be using teams of horses again and getting blaimed for the methane, AGAIN...

I spose I would get work supervising the harnessing of the horses and teaching of the team drivers, but didnt we give that up for tractors, 80 years ago...

Dont worry trout, it would only take 20 years to breed enough horses to crop what we do now and imagine all the workers that would have jobs...oops forgot, we have a labour shortage now...

Yet a farm is the ideal place to plaster every shed with solar panels and put a battery bank out the back. Every dollar spent on solar will be matched by a bigger reduction in fuel cost. Panels are now a small fraction of the cost they were 10 years ago, batteries are dropping in price too. No part of the coming change to electric transport will happen in isolation to the other advances in energy storage.

Oh and workers, who will employ any of them when automation takes over....

Originally Posted by bee utey

Yet a farm is the ideal place to plaster every shed with solar panels and put a battery bank out the back. Every dollar spent on solar will be matched by a bigger reduction in fuel cost. Panels are now a small fraction of the cost they were 10 years ago, batteries are dropping in price too. No part of the coming change to electric transport will happen in isolation to the other advances in energy storage.

Oh and workers, who will employ any of them when automation takes over....

Seeding time is generally overcast, cant seed without having some rain first...

Thus low power input, where do you get the back up from if there is no wind or sunlight... One fill of the batteries, out in the paddock and no power... No power for a truck full of batteries to supply tractor...

And considering the horse power requirements today, thats a lot of watts to drive a tractor, how heavy is the tractor going to be... We have enough compaction issues in paddocks as it is, increase the weights and you create more of an issue... I spose you wont need weight packs, but you will need to re-arrange the placement of batteries for different configurations....

This argument that electricity will be the replacement of all transport, is not an ability that we could ever do with the way people are now... We need to stop looking at the box we are in and look outside of it...

At the moment, everyone is accusing oil of killing our planet, I think people need to stop reading media reports and start looking at there environment...

Electricity, at the moment, is not capable of being that golden bullet and unless someone can think like Tesla himself, then we will be bound by the four walls of our box...

Originally Posted by bee utey

Why would you have chargers just at service stations? The only reason that service stations are what they are is to manage all the dangerous fuels in one place. Chargers can be anywhere there's decent electricity infrastructure so most people will either slow charge at home, at work or at the shops. A business like Bunnings would do well with a bunch of free chargers out front to keep the customers coming in for goodies. Service stations will evolve as needed to cope with the demand, nothing will look exactly the same as today. Oh and fast chargers are around 1/2 an hour currently for a decent boost, not 2 hours so who knows what the layout will be in 5 years time.

Thanks true. I can see charger plugs with a credit card reader being attached to each street light for charging. This would get difficult as you go remote into the bush. 2hrs refers to a full charge which can only be obtained over longer durations to get correct absorption and distribution (hence car batteries take a long time to reach full charge). Not sure it could happen here in AU so easily with so much remote areas to cover -you cant carry a jerry can of spare charge- maybe we would all carry a generator- wait that needs petrol so we need the jerry can too; NMRA would love it with more flat batteries. LOL

Originally Posted by Wraithe

Seeding time is generally overcast, cant seed without having some rain first...

Thus low power input, where do you get the back up from if there is no wind or sunlight... One fill of the batteries, out in the paddock and no power... No power for a truck full of batteries to supply tractor...

And considering the horse power requirements today, thats a lot of watts to drive a tractor, how heavy is the tractor going to be... We have enough compaction issues in paddocks as it is, increase the weights and you create more of an issue... I spose you wont need weight packs, but you will need to re-arrange the placement of batteries for different configurations....

This argument that electricity will be the replacement of all transport, is not an ability that we could ever do with the way people are now... We need to stop looking at the box we are in and look outside of it...

At the moment, everyone is accusing oil of killing our planet, I think people need to stop reading media reports and start looking at there environment...

Electricity, at the moment, is not capable of being that golden bullet and unless someone can think like Tesla himself, then we will be bound by the four walls of our box...

Set aside a portion of the cropping area for oil seed production to effectively grow your own oil?

Originally Posted by Captain_Rightfoot

So - I think we've all (including me) missed one really big significant point about this.

The UK is the worlds largest market of right hand drive vehicles. If they make significant changes to their vehicle fleet, it's likely that we will see a flow on effect into ours. It's unlikely manufacturers will engineer vehicles specifically for Australia.

Japan also use RHD vehicles so we will still have them.

Solar roof tiles are already available. Every building can be a power station. This is not actually theoretical, it's possible.
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No reason that vehicle bodies can't incorporate solar charging too. Solar panels don't have to be made of glass.

Originally Posted by cjc_td5

Set aside a portion of the cropping area for oil seed production to effectively grow your own oil?

Then your back to an internal combustion engine...

How much oil can you grow per hectare, and remember, one bad crop no more go go juice... Also we would have to be proficient in the production of home made fuel...

Consider a tractor using 500 litres every 12 hours, 2 shifts a day, thats a minimum of a 1,000 litres, per day... Cropping program taking 4 weeks = ???
Then what about the other machinery needed, ie truck with seed and fert, equipment to load from truck to air seeder, fuel truck to be on hand...
Then you have to harvest the crops, another large fuel use and more fuel needed...
On an average farm in WA, your probably talking about 1,000 hectares of crop so you have the fuel to work the farm...

It all adds up, the system that is in use now, took decades to be adopted country wide, and that was after it had been proven...

How long before they can produce a viable system for farming without fuels?

Forcing a change like solar, can only end in tragedy, no food, cities will fall...

The caravan industry will die.