DITCH YOUR DIRTY ENERGY COMPANY

I don't think I've ever seen figures for the manufacture of wind turbines when ever people spout about their cost against that of traditional ways of power generation.
The costs I'm on about are those huge foundations necessary to hold up turbines with blades 300' long? Must at least be as long as they are high and totally indestructible.
What about the enormous amount of concrete they use to build the things?
How much energy goes into that?
What about the ongoing maintenance and replacement of parts? They don't seem to be particularly long lived from what I've read.
After the initial cost of solar it may be viable, I don't know personally, but what's OK here with many hours of sun but what about the gloomy continents like Europe?
I can't see 500 million people getting enough power from either wind or solar without truly huge battery banks and where are they going to be sited? On productive farm land maybe?
Too many charlatans like Gore and Musk involved for my liking and too many pollies enjoying never ending jollies to talk about it while screwing us for yet higher energy bills and blaming non existent global warming.
AlanH.

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Originally Posted by DiscoMick

Sorry, but your post is just strange.
I didn't come here for a fight about carbon, I just pointed out how the renewable generation system is actually operating.
Clearly you've been reading a lot of the fake news being spread by the coal industry.
Please get better sources of facts.

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Sorry, Mick, but you need to go back over what you have posted. Everything has included a position about "carbon", including the post I responded to. Have a look.

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Originally Posted by johntins

Not someone you cherrypick from 100 years ago, that is for sure. Got someone a little more contemporary?? Or is that little laughing man your sig for everything. Come on , I believe you when you talk about fuel systems, make me believe you about your God. You will need to work harder though. What you have done so far is crap.

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Why? No belief required, just basic scientific understanding. If you have none of that I'm afraid I can't help you. Arrhenius's 1890's understanding of the absorptive properties of CO2 have yet to be soundly debunked by anyone.

We already have the technology to create electricity more efficiently, more environmentally friendly and cheaper than gas and coal fired power stations.
It's called nuclear power plants, Much cheaper and reliable that solar or wind generation and there is also NO need for any batteries.
We also have abundant fuel resources right here in Australia so we won't be held to ransom by oil or gas companies like we are now either.

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Originally Posted by trout1105

We already have the technology to create electricity more efficiently, more environmentally friendly and cheaper than gas and coal fired power stations.
It's called nuclear power plants, Much cheaper and reliable that solar or wind generation and there is also NO need for any batteries.
We also have abundant fuel resources right here in Australia so we won't be held to ransom by oil or gas companies like we are now either.

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Some people still remember Tree Mile Island. Most remember Chernobyl. Nearly all know of Fukushima. Nukes give people the jitters and most don't want to know about it. Good luck getting that one up.
Energy companies are pretty much the same regardless of what they peddle.
To my mind making and storing your own seems more and more the way to go. Jump off the grid.
The US experience is that the more people jump off the grid, the higher goes the price to compensate for the losses. The higher the price, the more people jump off the grid. They call it "Die Back".
I suspect that one of the reasons that Electricity is so expensive, is that we have to pay for the infrastructure that was put there to supply the manufacturers who have jumped off the grid and right out of the Country.

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Originally Posted by cuppabillytea

Some people still remember Tree Mile Island. Most remember Chernobyl. Nearly all know of Fukushima. Nukes give people the jitters and most don't want to know about it. Good luck getting that one up.
Energy companies are pretty much the same regardless of what they peddle.
To my mind making and storing your own seems more and more the way to go. Jump off the grid.
The US experience is that the more people jump off the grid, the higher goes the price to compensate for the losses. The higher the price, the more people jump off the grid. They call it "Die Back".
I suspect that one of the reasons that Electricity is so expensive, is that we have to pay for the infrastructure that was put there to supply the manufacturers who have jumped off the grid and right out of the Country.

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tree mile: 1st gen tech and process. we've learnt from that
Chernobyl: we're not that stupid, poor technology
Fukushima: lets not build it on a fault line.


next argument please.

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Originally Posted by Eevo

tree mile: 1st gen tech and process. we've learnt from that
Chernobyl: we're not that stupid, poor technology
Fukushima: lets not build it on a fault line.


next argument please.

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If you read my post as it was intended to be read, you would see that I wasn't making an argument. I was merely alluding to a determinant of political will. If you want an argument against Nuclear energy I believe it's an economic one, but thats just what I've heard and I haven't looked into it. From memory ( not good in my case) it has something to do with the cost of dealing with the waste.

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Originally Posted by cuppabillytea

If you read my post as it was intended to be read, you would see that I wasn't making an argument. I was merely alluding to a determinant of political will. If you want an argument against Nuclear energy I believe it's an economic one, but thats just what I've heard and I haven't looked into it. From memory ( not good in my case) it has something to do with the cost of dealing with the waste.

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fair point, and i agree.

we have reactors now that are so efficient that can run on the waste.

and excess power can pull carbon from the air.

win-win!

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Originally Posted by johntins

For the benefit of those who still hang on to the apron straps of Al Gore ( You know who you are, and you mostly defend SA's power policies ) read this:

Al Gore's Inconvenient Reality: Former VP's Home Energy Use Surges up to 34 Times the National Average Despite Costly Green Renovations

Fine bloke to be preaching, hey.

Q: Why do you follow the preachings of someone who refuses to practise them himself?

A: Madness. Nothing else answers it.

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Typical example of climate change deniers making personal attacks to discredit people. His house has solar and geothermal so he's certainly doing his bit. Plus, the story doesn't mention that a large number of people work in the house, so it's not his personal consumption.
The site is The National Centre for Public Policy Research which is a private conservative propaganda organization with little credibility.

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Originally Posted by ATH

I don't think I've ever seen figures for the manufacture of wind turbines when ever people spout about their cost against that of traditional ways of power generation.
The costs I'm on about are those huge foundations necessary to hold up turbines with blades 300' long? Must at least be as long as they are high and totally indestructible.
What about the enormous amount of concrete they use to build the things?
How much energy goes into that?
What about the ongoing maintenance and replacement of parts? They don't seem to be particularly long lived from what I've read.
After the initial cost of solar it may be viable, I don't know personally, but what's OK here with many hours of sun but what about the gloomy continents like Europe?
I can't see 500 million people getting enough power from either wind or solar without truly huge battery banks and where are they going to be sited? On productive farm land maybe?
Too many charlatans like Gore and Musk involved for my liking and too many pollies enjoying never ending jollies to talk about it while screwing us for yet higher energy bills and blaming non existent global warming.
AlanH.

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The whole earth is solar powered, so more than 7 billion already get their energy from the sun. Without the Sun, we're all dead.