"Demerit" Points.

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Originally Posted by trog

Got stuck with a spers notice early this year . Got stuck in a red light intersection , flash. Seems the car is out of rego , paid but no reference, therefore no insurance , though paid . Total cost near 2 k . Can I argue , no , leniency , no . Just pay up.

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If you paid by credit card speak to the card company and have them refund the payments as a charge back as the product paid for was not supplied. Why should you pay twice? If the government has put in writing that the service was not supplied what better evidence can you have.....

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Originally Posted by loanrangie

If wifey has had a clean record for 5 years a nicely written letter will get her off, I don't understand the 40 zones either but at least they aren't 25 like in SA.

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Not a 3 pointer,...only a one pointer I believe.
Pickles.

The 40 zones are usually placed around schools here in WA to protect the kids, I am not sure if that is also the case in Vic.

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Originally Posted by trout1105

Your Wife got caught speeding and copped a fine and 3 demerits, Boo Hoo.
If you do the crime you do the time simple as that, Jumping up and down moaning about how unfair it is pointless and will fall on deaf ears.
Many of us have been busted for speeding at one time or another and Yes it is a PITA when it happens But moaning and whining about how unfair you have been treated because of being caught for lapse in judgment when driving is pitiful.
We all know that speeding is illegal so if you get caught by Mr Plod the best thing to do is to cop it sweet and do your best not to do it again.

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Like I said, there are always ones that have to "have a go",..and if that rocks your boat, then all is good.
If you actually bother to sensibly READ my post you'll READ that we're quite happy to "do the time", and where was I "moaning"?
Don't need a lecture mate, wifey knows exactly what she's done, & we're copping it sweet, and like I said, we've paid the fine, not trying to "moan" about anything either, just trying to say how the ramifications of such a paltry issue could affect the lives of others in a far more serious manner.
Pickles.

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Originally Posted by VladTepes

I dont know what vehicle you were in but i maintain anyone who gets done speeding in a Tdi defender or series vehicle deserves a MERIT BADGE !!!!!!

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Lol!!...No, Wifey was driving her Audi RS3!
Pickles.

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Originally Posted by Bytemrk

Pickles you have all my sympathy - the penalties being applied for many road infringements in Victoria - simply do not fit the "crime".

I'm the first to agree that these clowns that do excessive speed in built up areas need the book thrown at them..... knowing the piece of road you are talking about, I'd say how dangerous 52 km/hr is would be very debatable....

I see dozens of drivers every day that are not speeding - but are far more dangerous than that!..

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Thanks.
Good that you know the road, so you know the situation I'm talking about.
Pickles.

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FOR WHAT???,...being 12ks over in a 40 zone, that shouldn't be 40 (well I know plenty of others who live in the area that can't understand it either!)
Anyway, I know there'll be the "usual suspects" on here that are "perfect",..never make a boo boo, but in terms of what crimes are happening everyday in Melbourne, where no penalties are handed out by weak as water magistrates for far worse "crimes", I thought that what Wfey copped was just crap....just the way I feel anyway.
pickles.

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I did read your post carefully and this part of that post reads like you are complaining about the ticket to me.

why are you trying to make an issue out of this Trout?

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Originally Posted by trout1105

The 40 zones are usually placed around schools here in WA to protect the kids, I am not sure if that is also the case in Vic.

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No.
They originally were, then something was discovered when they dropped the speed limit in suburban areas to fifty. They rolled out the 40km/h limit to other high trafficed areas and "shopping zones". It was considered so successful (as being discussed in this thread) they are now considering rolling out 30km/h limit zones.
That is the case in Victoria.

It's certainly true that losing your licence can cause people to lose their jobs, which seems harsh. I have seen cases appealed to court where hardship is raised and the magistrate orders the issue of a licence only to drive to and from work.
I have seen it claimed that some of the many people driving unlicensed are doing it to keep their jobs but I've never seen a survey about that.
Of course some of those who lose their licences are repeat offenders and can only blame themselves. That's obviously not the case with Mrs Pickles.
In my recent case I just got caught by a changed speed zone which was altered to make the entrance to a new housing estate safer.
There is a big difference between crashing at 80 and 60 in terms of damage done and likelihood of injury or fatality.
I'm quite happy for 40 zones to be put around schools at drop off and pickup times.
I think 25 zones are a step too far and frustrated drivers will just ignore them.
Not sure about other states but in Qld the radar is set at 3 Ks over the speed limit to allow for speedo error. Is that true in other states? Does Victoria only allow 1 k over?
Speedoes have to be set under the actual speed by law. So, for example, if the speedo reads 60 you might only be actually doing say 57. Set the CC at 63 and you might actually be doing about 60.
More people die from air pollution (about 3000 a year) than car crashes (1294 in 2016) so I guess it is all relative.

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3000 deaths caused by air pollution each year prompt calls for tougher standards