Can the seller be also liable - Duty of Care?

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Originally Posted by trout1105

As a previous poster noted that IF it was possible to get this sort of rig licenced then there would be more of them out and about.
This isn't the case So I tend to agree with that line of thinking .

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I doubt there's not more out there because the van needs a VASS engineering certificate and probably substantial modifications to the chassis to pass this. Driver also needs a MC licence so it's not like everyone is going to run out and do this. Combination also needs to be under 19 metres so you couldn't do it with a huge van and boat.

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Originally Posted by pop058

The QLD PDF I quoted was dated 2016, not sure about WA.

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But as I posted earlier, legal in Vic with certification.

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Originally Posted by trout1105

As a previous poster noted that IF it was possible to get this sort of rig licenced then there would be more of them out and about.
This isn't the case So I tend to agree with that line of thinking .

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I have heard of another in Esperence WA. Again, retired with a MC licence, lots of experience and approved by the registration authority. His rig is a van on a fifth wheel with a boat in tow.
I can't find the newspaper article they referred to though.

I reckon there are a few more out there, just not very common.

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Originally Posted by Mick_Marsh

I have heard of another in Esperence WA. Again, retired with a MC licence, lots of experience and approved by the registration authority. His rig is a van on a fifth wheel with a boat in tow.
I can't find the newspaper article they referred to though.

I reckon there are a few more out there, just not very common.

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A 5th wheel setup with third trailer makes a bit more sense with the axle being at the rear of the van.

Other thoughts

Maybe I'm picturing it wrong.....imagine going through a dip in he road at 90km/hrs, with the van axle being in the middle, all I'm thinking is the reaction of the second trailer. Cannot believe the set up got engineer sign off.

It's hard to tell of the pic but there doesn't look like much engineering has been done the the trailers or hitches

Re: experience, you either have the licence. or not......apart from receding and taking a wider line on corners.....just pop it in drive and off ya go.

Seriously Guys.
Whoever signed off on these rigs needs to be relived of their duty Because only a complete Moron would consider that something like this is Perfectly Safe and is acceptable to be used on a public road.
Good Lord, Whatever happened to Common Sense here [tonguewink]

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Originally Posted by weeds

A 5th wheel setup with third trailer makes a bit more sense with the axle being at the rear of the van.

Other thoughts

Maybe I'm picturing it wrong.....imagine going through a dip in he road at 90km/hrs, with the van axle being in the middle, all I'm thinking is the reaction of the second trailer. Cannot believe the set up got engineer sign off.

It's hard to tell of the pic but there doesn't look like much engineering has been done the the trailers or hitches

Re: experience, you either have the licence. or not......apart from receding and taking a wider line on corners.....just pop it in drive and off ya go.

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Originally Posted by trout1105

Seriously Guys.
Whoever signed off on these rigs needs to be relived of their duty Because only a complete Moron would consider that something like this is Perfectly Safe and is acceptable to be used on a public road.
Good Lord, Whatever happened to Common Sense here [tonguewink]

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Ok.
What are your automotive engineering qualifications?
Where did you study them?
What experience have you had in the automotive engineering field?

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Originally Posted by Mick_Marsh

Ok.
What are your automotive engineering qualifications?
Where did you study them?
What experience have you had in the automotive engineering field?

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I don't think that there is any need to have a degree in engineering to realise that pulling a road train with a 4WD is a ludicrous idea.

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Originally Posted by Mick_Marsh

Ok.
What are your automotive engineering qualifications?
Where did you study them?
What experience have you had in the automotive engineering field?

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Don't have any.....just applying my mechanical aptitude.....

What engineering requirements are required?? Over and above a normal trailer??

I still don't reckon the guys has travelled across multiply states with this configuration.

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Originally Posted by weeds

Don't have any.....just applying my mechanical aptitude.....

What engineering requirements are required?? Over and above a normal trailer??

I still don't reckon the guys has travelled across multiply states with this configuration.

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Tend to agree, Qld and NSW (at least) regs say it is prohibited. To clarify I am not disputing the driver licensing side of things just the actual vechile setup.

I have e-mailed that media article to modifications Section, Transport & Main Roads Qld asking if such a vehicle can be legally driven in Qld. Has such a permit ever been issued by TMR Qld. Any comment on the line in the article that implies that the pictured vehicle is legal for use on any road in Australia. What engineering requirements would need to be met to use such a vehicle under a TMRQ permit.

I will post any reply I get.