Thread: Can the seller be also liable - Duty of Care?

Originally Posted by Bigbjorn

I have e-mailed that media article to modifications Section, Transport & Main Roads Qld asking if such a vehicle can be legally driven in Qld. Has such a permit ever been issued by TMR Qld. Any comment on the line in the article that implies that the pictured vehicle is legal for use on any road in Australia. What engineering requirements would need to be met to use such a vehicle under a TMRQ permit.

I will post any reply I get.

Did you mention the entire set up has been approved by a VASS engineer, is registered in Victoria and is driven by a holder of a current Victorian MC licence?

Saw a video of another one last week. This one was in the NT.

Originally Posted by Mick_Marsh

Did you mention the entire set up has been approved by a VASS engineer, is registered in Victoria and is driven by a holder of a current Victorian MC licence?

Saw a video of another one last week. This one was in the NT.

I mentioned that it had a Vicroads permit and asked if such permit was recognised in Qld. I also asked if, being clearly a road train according to the Qld. Road Rules, it would be restricted to road train geographical areas and roads if its use was allowed in Qld.

Originally Posted by Bigbjorn

I mentioned that it had a Vicroads permit and asked if such permit was recognised in Qld. I also asked if, being clearly a road train according to the Qld. Road Rules, it would be restricted to road train geographical areas and roads if its use was allowed in Qld.

What Vicroads permit?
UVP?
Club Permit?
It does not have a permit. It is fully registered. You have misrepresented the situation and therefore whatever response you get is invalid.

Oh, and it is not a road train. That is your opinion that it is. Where does it say it is a road train?

Is it a 'train? I think it a B-double. If it's under 19 metres it would have general access regarding length.

Originally Posted by V8Ian

Is it a 'train? I think it a B-double. If it's under 19 metres it would have general access regarding length.

It is a multi combination (MC).

Multi combination is a class of licence covering multiple configurations of vehicle, with two or more articulation points.

Here are the NSW RMS towing regulations.

Rules for towing

Towing more than one trailer at a time is not allowed
Nobody is allowed to ride in trailers or caravans
When towing and driving on a road without street lights, drive at least 60 metres behind heavy vehicles or other vehicles towing trailers,unless overtaking
Learner drivers and learner and provisional motorcycle riders are not allowed to tow
P1 car licence holders can tow small trailers with up to 250 kg of unloaded weight.

And here are the WA regulations

Some laws that you need to know
Vehicles, trailers and caravans must meet registration standards and must be roadworthy.
• All trailers or caravans must have a rear number plate and a registration label holder
fixed to the left side of the body so that the label faces outwards or forwards.
• The coupling and towbar must not obscure the number plate or lights on the rear of
the towing vehicle when no trailer or caravan is attached.
• Regulations prohibit towing more than one trailer at once.
• Nobody is allowed to ride in normally registered trailers or caravans.
• When towing a trailer or caravan the maximum speed at which you may tow is 100
kilometres per hour. You must of course obey the posted speed limits.

The relevant South Australian and Northern Territory websites are not user friendly and appear to only contain minimal information.

"Oh, and it is not a road train. That is your opinion that it is. Where does it say it is a road train?"

Well, look at the Qld. Road Rules. A vehicle pulling a full trailer or a prime mover pulling a single semi-trailer is not a road train. Add another full trailer and it is a road train. A car towing a caravan and another trailer behind that is clearly a road train according to the regulations. Some might argue that it is a b-double as there is some tow ball weight placed on the forward vehicles but this is minimal compared to the weight placed on the turntables of a normal commercial b-double so I prefer the road train analogy.