Mass video surveillance to change Australia

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Originally Posted by Eevo

I know your not naive enough to believe that.


everyone has something to hide.
We have privacy for a reason.



technology used correctly and with thought always has potential.
technology can also be abused.

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Not naive at all [emoji41]

Nope, I have nothing I need to hide when it comes to the law or activities.

Absolutely, but short of knowing I like to walk along the beach on Tuesday evenings, Play hockey on thursdays etc this technology tracks us no more or less than our phones/credit cards etc... and only observes public spaces (where there is no expectation of privacy).

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Originally Posted by Classic88

There are already hints that facial recognition is racially-biased: Facial-Recognition Software Might Have a Racial Bias Problem - The Atlantic

Other systems are being developed to spot who 'looks' like a criminal: A New Program Judges If You’re a Criminal From Your Facial Features - Motherboard

And China is working on facial-recognition AI which supposedly can predict if someone if likely to commit a crime: China is using AI to predict who will commit crime next

It can also be used to identify whether someone is gay or straight apparently: AI can tell if people are gay or straight with one photo of their face

But of course authorities with access to powerful technology have never abused that power.

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And so they watch you because you look “interesting”...
Unless they then infringe upon you carrying out your life (legally) then what’s the outcome you’re expecting? Sure, if they then greet you on a train with guns drawn that’s a problem..

But otherwise, if they think I’m a candidate then good luck to them, they’ll be sadly disappointed.

And if they want to work out if I’m straight or not - what purpose that could have? Then half their luck...

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Originally Posted by Tombie

And so they watch you because you look “interesting”...
Unless they then infringe upon you carrying out your life (legally) then what’s the outcome you’re expecting? Sure, if they then greet you on a train with guns drawn that’s a problem..

But otherwise, if they think I’m a candidate then good luck to them, they’ll be sadly disappointed.

And if they want to work out if I’m straight or not - what purpose that could have? Then half their luck...

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Being greeted on a train by officers with their guns drawn due to 'looking like a criminal' didn't go too well for this guy sadly: Death of Jean Charles de Menezes - Wikipedia

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Originally Posted by trout1105

The Civil Libertarians will throw their usual "Hissy Fit" about this because they will perceive that it is infringing on their privacy.
If they are installed in a public place then there isn't any "Privacy" anyway [bigwhistle]

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so you were quite happy for germany jews to wear the star of david on their coats?

they have done nothing wrong, so they have nothing to hide right?

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Originally Posted by Tombie

Not naive at all [emoji41]

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I know your not, and thats why im surprised.

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Originally Posted by Tombie

Absolutely, but short of knowing I like to walk along the beach on Tuesday evenings, Play hockey on thursdays etc this technology tracks us no more or less than our phones/credit cards etc... and only observes public spaces (where there is no expectation of privacy).

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the difference is we choose to sign up for phones/credit cards and can decline the terms and conditions if we dont like it.


there is the expectation of some privacy in public space. why else do they make me cover my privates in public?

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Originally Posted by Eevo

so you were quite happy for germany jews to wear the star of david on their coats?

they have done nothing wrong, so they have nothing to hide right?

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What on earth has installing CCTV in public places got to do with the Holocaust.

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there is the expectation of some privacy in public space. why else do they make me cover my privates in public?

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Because it is a "Public" place and it would cause offense.
You can walk around naked in your own house because that is a private residence/place, A public place is Just that "Public" and not a Private area so you will just have to cover your tackle up when in a public area [thumbsupbig] .

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Originally Posted by Classic88

Being greeted on a train by officers with their guns drawn due to 'looking like a criminal' didn't go too well for this guy sadly: Death of Jean Charles de Menezes - Wikipedia

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Incompetence at Identification / Confirmation of a suspect is hardly the same thing here...

You’re attempt to skew it away from the topic at hand is noted. [emoji12]

Facial recognition, had it been in play, may very well have resulted in Jean being correctly identified and not having been followed at all.

And may have also enabled accurate location of the bombers...

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Originally Posted by trout1105

What on earth has installing CCTV in public places got to do with the Holocaust..

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if you cant see the connection, i think we're done here...
wrong is not determined by you.

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Originally Posted by Eevo

if you cant see the connection, i think we're done here...
wrong is not determined by you.

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I didn't say I was right and you were wrong, I was just curious as to why that "Red Herring" was introduced into this discussion.
CCTV and facial recognition software has absolutely Nothing to do with racial profiling as you were alluding to whatsoever.

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Originally Posted by trout1105

I didn't say I was right and you were wrong, I was just curious as to why that "Red Herring" was introduced into this discussion.
CCTV and facial recognition software has absolutely Nothing to do with racial profiling as you were alluding to whatsoever.

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no no. not what i mean.

the quote is: "if you have done nothing wrong..."
wrong is not determined by the individual.
its determined by the authorities and the individual has no say in this.
the jews had done nothing wrong, but "wrong" was determined by the govt, not the individual.


I wasnt alluding to racial profiling, even if it is effective.