Climbing Uluru to be banned from 2019

We can drive 1000s of km through baron landscapes and finally reach something worth looking at.... for some reason we climb up to the only point where we can no longer see it and look back out at the baron landscape. Whats wrong with us?

The desert is flat, you dont need Uluru to see it. Ive seen spectacular desert views all the way to the horizon just sitting on a sand dune.

The climb will be closed 2019, so what, no great loss. That spectacular rock majestically rising out of the desert will still be there - to be seen!

I was part of a group last night and this topic came up , a few people were very lets say" animated " about the subject , funnily enough they have never visited the rock and had no intent of ever going , but the fact they felt they were loosing the right to something was more the point.


Me - I been there 5 maybe even 6 times , haven't climbed it - seriously thought about it once but got to ****ed the night before and couldn't be bothered exerting the effort the next day . Our last visit was to me the best of them all , arrived on the 31st December , watched the sun go down on the rock with my wife and enjoyed the amazing array of colours that we seen even after the sun had set . Woke up the next morning to see the beginning of a new year sun rising on the rock and was amazed once again at the different array of colours on the opposite side . I don't know why , but both my wife and I agreed it was the best new year we've had in our 50+ years.


My simple brain looks at it this way - I view the traditional owners wants of any area no different to how I view any religion, they all have their places of worship, be it a church, mosque, rock, river whatever , even if its not your thing , if you enter that area you abide by the rules and respect the cultures , if you don't want to do that then don't go there - simple

I have heard the " my tax $$ pay for that argument , well guess what , your tax $$ and lot more of them are being wasted far worse in every city and town in the country , but that's for another thread.

My 2c worth

Cheers Ean

I can't think of any non aboriginal religious site in Australia that covers more than 300 hectares that also charges tourists to visit there.
I also very much doubt that any non aboriginal religion would deny access to their church, Mosque or other sacred building or site based on their Race.

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Originally Posted by trout1105

I can't think of any non aboriginal religious site in Australia that covers more than 300 hectares that also charges tourists to visit there.
I also very much doubt that any non aboriginal religion would deny access to their church, Mosque or other sacred building or site based on their Race.

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I never got charged to see Uluru, I got charged to enter a national park , so that happens in every state in Australia as far as I know.

That's funny, I went on a tour of a church once and I got asked for a gold coin donation - does that count ?

I have heard, but only thru media outlets that plenty of people get refused access to mosque's - but its possible it could be fake media.

like I said my simple brain may look at things different to everyone else.

Cheers Ean

https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/im...2017/11/83.jpg

I even found a photo of the entrance sign just in case its not realised its a national park.

Cheers Ean

can't see Ayers Rock mentioned anywhere there......

I don't think anyone is disputing Uluru's/Ayers Rock's status as a national park But it only holds this status via a lease from the traditional owners since 1995 which involves the use of Public money and resources.
There may be a few others But in the majority of National Parks there is No discrimination regarding access based on race like there is now to be at Ululru.

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Originally Posted by trout1105

I don't think anyone is disputing Uluru's/Ayers Rock's status as a national park But it only holds this status via a lease from the traditional owners since 1995 which involves the use of Public money and resources.
There may be a few others But in the majority of National Parks there is No discrimination regarding access based on race like there is now to be at Ululru.

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Its not something I have followed but maybe the media down your way has been more on to it , but certainly I haven't seen anything in the media up here saying "All white people" are banned from climbing , my understanding is its all people black or white except the traditional owners , which would be the local people. If the aboriginal people in that area are like many "Clans" up here , then they will take great offence to other aboriginals from far and wide not obeying there wishes.


There are still "clan wars " in many area's up here , especially around port keats that don't take kindly to others coming into their sacred area's. I seen it with my own eye/s many years ago when I was working for a barge company who were delivering the communities supplies during the wet season. Even the police would lock themselves in the cop shop till things calmed down.


Anyway , others may feel hard done by because of this closure but I am fine with it.


Cheers Ean

Never climbed it. Never intended to..
Climb plenty of rocks at work!

Interestingly I worked with an Aboriginal Mining company, I’m mates with a couple of the local elders....

And they aren’t racist in the slightest, in fact far from it..
And having learned the history of the local region they would have every right to carry a huge chip on their shoulders.

You know what though - they aren’t - they share the belief that the history is for everyone, and that we should learn it all as it’s for them and all the “new arrivals” (my term for approx 200 years)...

All they ask is that we respect areas of significance, I’ve been taken to see such places and they are worthy of respect.

The ones that corrupt the traditional beliefs for their gain are the primary cause of the racial divide... these Elders are a far more down to earth and respectful mob. And seek awareness of their history, respect for it, and believe in opportunity where possible for locals.

The company has a mix of “White” and “Black” and all get along; look at the man, not the skin colour.


With the ‘Rock’ - if it’s now recognised as Tribal land then they own it - and have the right to say who does what - just like the land I own. Come to my place, obey my rules or **** off!

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We can drive 1000s of km through baron landscapes and finally reach something worth looking at.... for some reason we climb up to the only point where we can no longer see it and look back out at the baron landscape. Whats wrong with us?

The desert is flat, you dont need Uluru to see it. Ive seen spectacular desert views all the way to the horizon just sitting on a sand dune.

The climb will be closed 2019, so what, no great loss. That spectacular rock majestically rising out of the desert will still be there - to be seen!

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why are you driving your landrover?
it sitting in the driveway should be enough.