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Solmanic - it is called "road rage" which is an offence in itself. On the issue of theft and the keys - when you steal something it doesn't matter what you subsequently do with them it is still theft.
I bet it would not have been an issue if the woman had been a 6'5" male body builder with tatts and a bikie jacket - it is all about where the power lies.
I can only speak for SA, but possibly similar interstate, one of the offences would be 'assault', as what is not widely known, is that you do not have to be touched to be assaulted. If one is in fear of harm, that is an assault. Battery does not have to take place.Quote:
Originally Posted by solmanic
I dare say there is a theft too, as it matters not what the thief does with the property once in their possession, but if he intends to, or does deprive you of your property, it is theft. Just because a car thief burns your car when he is finished with it(throws it away effectively), doesn't make him less of a thief.
"Vic police can charge a driver if two independent witnesses report the same incident" if you can convince the busy police to take the 2 reports![bighmmm]Quote:
Originally Posted by johntins
Mia Culpa- I have taken car keys once and tossed them a long long way[bigwhistle] The driver was trying to run over adults and kids on roller bladers in a skating class in a car park near Albert Park MSAC on a very quiet Sunday Morning. He drove at me for staring at him with my jaw on the ground perhaps, he stopped when I told him to **** OFF. He hopped out of his car with a machetee and chased me with it. As a runner, I happily lead him around the lake slowing at times enough to let him keep him following me. I looped back around the gent when he started spewing is guts up and gasping for air. I went back to the car park to call the police. Several others had already called the police ( they never came) His key keys were last seen flying god know where and yes you might think I am a ***** for doing so but I am luckily like a duck on that. Our hard working police cannot always protect kids and adults from every situation. I did tell the police about my key throwing and the location of the car and grumpy gent.
I was not in Lycra at the time promise[thumbsupbig]
Hope this added a little to the Popcorn observers[biggrin][biggrin][biggrin][biggrin]
There was an incident in W.A over keys being taken out of the bailiffs car during a farm possession. And subsequently returned when the Police asked nicely.
The removalist was charged and convicted, it made the news because the gent was a Politician and it affected his ability to hold his seat , taken is stolen.
If i stole your wallet and threw it in Sydney Harbor and you knew where it was, it's still stolen.
Or two stupid gits doesnt make one make one right, to paraphrase
"Wrong" is such a flexible word...Quote:
Originally Posted by rangieman
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Why would she need to admit anything? All she needs to do is accuse you of assult.Quote:
Originally Posted by VladTepes"Wrong" is such a flexible word...Quote:
Originally Posted by rangieman
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There is no "road rage" offence under Vic law. Road rage is just a covering term for a number of other offences that may occur like assault, intimidation, property damage.Quote:
Originally Posted by garrycol
Is road rage a crime? It depends on the case, say Victoria Police
Yeah, the cyclist would probably be convicted of theft but based on the real value of the item, and the fact that it was never more than a few metres from the driver and recovered undamaged, minimums would apply. Additionally, the police were not actually required to recover the item. She could have just as easily called RACV since she knew roughly where they were.
I think the major disconnection between drivers & cyclists is a complete lack of understanding of what happens in your brain when a vehicle comes too close to you. The extreme difference in speed & mass automatically triggers the "fight or flight" response. Any close call with a motor vehicle, intentional or not, is a real near-death experience for a cyclist. This is why there are so many stories of cyclists arcing up at motorists who are oblivious that they have even done anything wrong. It's referred to on cycling forums as SMIDSY - Sorry Mate I Didn't See You.
This incident started with something the driver did, but we will never know what. As others have correctly pointed out, two wrongs don't make a right, but two things are certain - the driver did something to trigger the rider's reaction either intentionally (culpable), or unintentionally (negligent). Yes, the rider hasn't had the guts to front up and tell his side of the story, but you can bet the driver isn't telling the full story either.
"wherefore" is olde(r) English and thus be one word, not two...Quote:
Originally Posted by justinc
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Don’t shoot the messenger but I did get a giggle from this even though this isn’t consistent with my views.
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