Sadly our history has some very dark parts

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Originally Posted by Gordie

Considering that there are more kiwis in Oz than vice versa...and taking into account a good portion of parliament are kiwi citizens....I would say that it is more apt for the national day to portray the annexing by stealth of Oz by Kiwis....and become the same as NZ...Feb 6, Waitangi day. [thumbsupbig]

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Interesting point. Although since Waitangi Day commemorates the signing of a treaty officially recognising Maori rights and claims, Australia isn't in a position to do that. In fact Australia is yet to implement its international obligations under the United Nations Declaration of the Rights of Indigenous Peoples.

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Originally Posted by Classic88

Interesting point. Although since Waitangi Day commemorates the signing of a treaty officially recognising Maori rights and claims, Australia isn't in a position to do that. In fact Australia is yet to implement its international obligations under the United Nations Declaration of the Rights of Indigenous Peoples.

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so the shouldnt be getting centrelink until its signed?

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Originally Posted by Eevo

so the shouldnt be getting centrelink until its signed?

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Rights as Australian Citizens and rights as indigenous peoples are very different. Why are so many Australians seemingly so threatened by that. It seems very insecure.

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Originally Posted by Classic88

Rights as Australian Citizens and rights as indigenous peoples are very different. Why are so many Australians seemingly so threatened by that. It seems very insecure.

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they shouldnt be.
yet they seem to get more handouts than the rest of us.

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Originally Posted by gusthedog

No. They virtually destroyed a civilisation. Slightly different.

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not in anyway different to what had been happening in the rest of the world for millennia.

one could say they had it way better than most of the known world for a hell of a lot longer, the truth be told.

one just needs to look at ole blighty itself to see how often that occurred

if you want to go down the invasion route then they are just another defeated nation like just about everyone on the planet before them.

from what I have read, the culture was extremely similar to communism, most things shared, a few elders calling the shots, with punitive measures in place for any of the rest if they were naughty.

I recall the last documented couple (I heard of), coming in from the desert in about 1974. they wanted to be together when younger but the elders banished them for whatever reason, so they lived their lives on their own till they could do so no longer and were taken to where the relatives that kicked them out were living on a station or camp. that didn't last long I believe.

I have no idea what the solution may be, but it needs to be based on equality to have any chance of long term success IMHO

no idea how you achieve that, human nature hasn't come to terms with it yet from what I have seen and continue to witness.

burn away.........

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Originally Posted by Eevo

they shouldnt be.
yet they seem to get more handouts than the rest of us.

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That's not actually true. The biggest single welfare cost is pensions, followed by child care and family tax credits.

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Originally Posted by incisor

if you want to go down the invasion route then they are just another defeated nation like just about everyone on the planet before them.

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when was the peace treaty signed?
are we still at war?

thats not going to end well for some.

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Originally Posted by Classic88

That's not actually true. The biggest single welfare cost is pensions, followed by child care and family tax credits.

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i should of specified. i was talking about unemployment benefits. but you do have a point. given that they make up 3% of the population, they appear to overrepresent

This person argues the date is unimportant as changing it won't change the underlying problems.
Changing the date won't change Australia's culture of violence

Changing the date won't change Australia's culture of violence | Tony Birch | Opinion | The Guardian

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Originally Posted by incisor

not in anyway different to what had been happening in the rest of the world for millennia.

one could say they had it way better than most of the known world for a hell of a lot longer, the truth be told.

one just needs to look at ole blighty itself to see how often that occurred

if you want to go down the invasion route then they are just another defeated nation like just about everyone on the planet before them.

from what I have read, the culture was extremely similar to communism, most things shared, a few elders calling the shots, with punitive measures in place for any of the rest if they were naughty.

I recall the last documented couple (I heard of), coming in from the desert in about 1974. they wanted to be together when younger but the elders banished them for whatever reason, so they lived their lives on their own till they could do so no longer and were taken to where the relatives that kicked them out were living on a station or camp. that didn't last long I believe.

I have no idea what the solution may be, but it needs to be based on equality to have any chance of long term success IMHO

no idea how you achieve that, human nature hasn't come to terms with it yet from what I have seen and continue to witness.

burn away.........

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Careful Inc , I said something similar not that far back and got told it was a cop out.

Funnily I haven't seen 1 person yet have the solution to completely fix the problem , or even how to achieve it so its acceptable to everyone and doesn't involve the waist of millions - proberly even billions of $$. Cause that's about all that's been happening.

Plenty of people seem to find someone to blame , but nothing seems to have changed when it comes to fixing the problems.

Cheers Ean