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Oh I don’t know about that. From memory the descendants of the original inhabitants of Japan are only found in a small pocket on the Northernmost island. What we today consider as ‘the Japanese’ came from the mainland (in probably 2 waves) and wiped out the locals already living there. Sadly it’s a common feature throughout our past. I’d hate to think what would happen if aliens ever showed themselves sometime in the future. It wouldn’t turn out well for the less advanced culture - namely us!
So what you are saying by that statement is that between 240,000 to 2,994,000 Aboriginals were murdered or caused to perish by the settlers?Quote:
Originally Posted by gusthedog
I find that hard to believe.
The true cause of most of the convict deaths is unknown But it is fair to surmise that it was mainly due to the conditions and treatment that they were subject to at the time.
I also dispute the 60,000 figure in 1920 because there would have been NO way that anyone would know exactly how many Aboriginal people were in Australia at that time as many of the first Australians had moved to cities and towns and some had even married/shacked up members of the new Australians
Maybe someone took a "Best Guess" estimate of 60,000 still living traditionally But that's all it would have been a Guess.
Is there any country in the world that doesn't have some sort of dark past. Just a matter of how far back do we want to go.
Our past is nothing to shy away from and nothing to be proud of that's for sure. There is certainly a long way to go to improve things in this country.
Indigenous Australian clans do war with each other , seen it in Wadeye in the NT about 10 or so years ago.
Cheers Ean
Convicts certainly were treated badly, but there were laws to protect them, such as requirements for masters to feed and house them, and there were cases of convicts successfully appealing to magistrates against bad treatment. They were usually freed after eight years.
None of that protection was afforded to the indigenous people, who were systematically dispossessed and exterminated. That's just the way it was.
If I try, I can trace my family back through, on the Scot side, Wallace, Robert The Bruce. On the other side I'd find Edward. I reckon that most of the folk who post here will have at least a couple of skeletons in their closets.
Will you all choose to live in the past, and be judged by the sins of your grandfathers? If so, if you choose that, you are all idiots.
This hasn't been my best day, judge my comments in that light...
I couldn't agree with you more Old Mate, I for one have had a guts full of people trying to put a "Guilt Trip" on me for events that happened a century or more ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by johntins
The Future is what IS important and is what we should be concerned about The past is just history that NONE of us had anything to do with anyway.
I have to say "not everywhere"Quote:
None of that protection was afforded to the indigenous people, who were systematically dispossessed and exterminated. That's just the way it was.
if you go to the library in Braidwood you can read the diary of the Governor of the area. There is a chapter relating to instructions to distribute extra blankets to aboriginals as the winter was expected to be cold.
In addition the aboriginals worked for the early settlers with mixed results. Some were regarded as equal to Europeans and others were prone to walkabout, much like our population today.
The aboriginals also showed the white settlers how to get from the coast to the plateau.Macquarie Pass.
There seemed to be quite a bit of cooperation both ways.
I also read one theory that the aboriginal population had been decimated prior to white settlement by smallpox caught from Malaccan fisherman who traded with them leaving a very small population .
Well said, I agree with you.Quote:
Originally Posted by johntins
Pickles.
It's not a guilt trip. It's recognition of actual fact. There is a massive difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by trout1105
There were originally around 80,000 Aynu in Japan. There are now around 20,000 people that identify themselves as Aynu. Look it up on google. They have a history back to the 14th century. Not 60 to 80 thousand years as we have here.Quote:
Originally Posted by cripesamighty
My point is that our ancestors are responsible for decimating the oldest culture on earth. That needs to be understood and reflected on.