Thread: Sadly our history has some very dark parts

Originally Posted by gusthedog

No Australia day on the 26 of january is not for all peoples or minorities. Clearly Indigenous Australians aren't happy to have the celebration on the date white dudes set up shop. How can you not see that would be offensive if you were an Indigenous Australian?

It may surprise you to know that ALL aboriginal Australians are not as Left wing as you are and Many of them celebrate Australia Day along with every other Australian on this day.
What's with the "White Dudes" comment, A bit "Racist" don't you think

Originally Posted by trout1105

It may surprise you to know that ALL aboriginal Australians are not as Left wing as you are and Many of them celebrate Australia Day along with every other Australian on this day.
What's with the "White Dudes" comment, A bit "Racist" don't you think

I'm sorry - were there black dudes involved on the 26 Jan at Port Jackson? I think you'll find they were white....

Originally Posted by garrycol

Yes it is considered offensive to some Indigenous Australians but NOT to all Indigenous Australians - many are fully supportive.

As I said you underestimate the understanding of mainstream Australians to the issues in our society.

This should get the angries going. Another article from the guardian It’s convenient to say Aboriginal people support Australia Day. But it’s not true | Jack Latimore | Opinion | The Guardian

Where's your evidence to support Indigenous Australians supporting 26 Jan?

.....Please don't get emotional....

The facts I gathered are that international law recognises all territories acquired through invasion by force, prior to World War II, as lawful conquests(UN General Assembly Resolution 3314). Provided that all citizens of a such territory are granted equal rights by the local law (which is clearly the case now but maybe not in the past....

So if Australian day is regarded as the day of invasion. Then the aboriginals are conquered people and thus have no land rights. This is obviously not what aboriginals want, evident by the 1992 Mabo Decision, where it rested on the presumption that Australia was settled, not invaded.

So Australian day is universally agreeed as not being the day of invasion but maybe the day of settlement.

These are the facts I leaned...

So my question is really what is Australian day really about? Is it about celebrating this great modern multi-culture Australia, which will be a reasonable common ground for every Australian to celebrate this day. Or is it about one culture that is the culture of the settlers, Anglo-Saxon. In this case, Australian day will be the day when people talked about how their father/grandfather fought in ww1 or 2 ( and herpas how imigrants came for a free ride...)

I think there lies the difference. And it is understandable why some feel offended by the people to chang e Australia day to January 26 because it would be a denial of their culture and history, and also a challenge to Anglo-Saxon dominance

Just my 2 cents...

Originally Posted by gusthedog

Where's your evidence to support Indigenous Australians supporting 26 Jan?

You implied All Indigenlous Australians do not support 26 Jan - well I acknowledge some dont - but many (is it a majority? no idea) do support 26 Jan as Australia Day as they acknowledge it is for all Australians. Producing media article does not support one side or another just as anything can be dragged up to support either position. You quoted one article and I can do as well - lets have media articles at 10 paces - but lets not.

A lot of Australians should listen to Alice Springs Councillor Jacinta Nampijinpa Price - she is more about looking forward rather than in the past and improving the life of Indigenous Australia.

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Originally Posted by trout1105

It may surprise you to know that ALL aboriginal Australians are not as Left wing as you are and Many of them celebrate Australia Day along with every other Australian on this day.
What's with the "White Dudes" comment, A bit "Racist" don't you think

Spot on.
There was an article, "Attacking Australia Day Rejects Our History" in Thursday's Herald Sun by Indigenous Aboriginal identity Jacinta Nampijinpa Price, Alice Springs Councillor, and a research associate for independent studies, confirming that most Indigenous people have no issues with it, as distinct as to how it is portrayed by "Activists" .
Pickles.

Originally Posted by gusthedog

And pot stirring.....

if you dont stir the pot, the food ends up bad

Happy Australia day everyone!