Thread: Sadly our history has some very dark parts

Someone mentioned the Rum Rebellion?

This I could support!!

From a Facebook post...

"There is a major fact that people seem to be forgetting with the furor over Australia Day being on January 26th.
The 26th of January is also the anniversary of the Rum Rebellion in 1808, the only military coup in Australian history.
It's simple.
Declare January the 26th to be Rum Rebellion Day.
Everyone gets ****ed on rum, marches on Parliament and deposes the government for the vicious, lying fascist ****** they are.
This would be done as an annual event.
Beats the **** out of elections."

Love it!

I could go for that , and the continued employment needed to rebuild will keep the tradies occupied all year long.

Originally Posted by gusthedog

Not trying to force a view on anyone mate. Just trying to show you and others there are views out there other than your own and they also matter.

Your view of the middle of the road is different to mine. Perhaps it's an age thing? I don't consider myself a "left nutter" but see the left in a far more positive light than the right in most instances. That's because I try to be empathetic- a quality severely missing from the conservatives and more right leaning "nutters" to use your words.

It May be an age thing because with age comes wisdom But I am only 63.
I have worked with Aboriginal people from Arnhem Land, Melville Island and various other communities in the NT and I have had plenty of time to have a yarn with these people, Also two of my Grandchildren are part Aboriginal So you can't pull the "You haven't had any interaction with these people So you don't know what you are talking about" line with me because I DO know what I am talking about.
Us Middle of the roaders can see both sides of a debate and on Most occasions we can make an unbiased assessment of a situation because we haven't got any particular axe to grind.

Calling people "Neanderthal's" and saying that we are uncaring and have No compassion just because we may not subscribe to your ideology is childish and insulting.
Snarling and insulting people will Never win someone over to your cause, Remember that you will catch more fly's with honey than you will with vinegar
I understand that you have Very strong views on this subject and that's Fine with me But you won't win any friends or get people to take you seriously and genuinely consider what you have to say if you continue to fly off the handle every time someone offers up a different viewpoint than yours.

Originally Posted by trout1105

It May be an age thing because with age comes wisdom But I am only 63.
I have worked with Aboriginal people from Arnhem Land, Melville Island and various other communities in the NT and I have had plenty of time to have a yarn with these people, Also two of my Grandchildren are part Aboriginal So you can't pull the "You haven't had any interaction with these people So you don't know what you are talking about" line with me because I DO know what I am talking about.
Us Middle of the roaders can see both sides of a debate and on Most occasions we can make an unbiased assessment of a situation because we haven't got any particular axe to grind.

Calling people "Neanderthal's" and saying that we are uncaring and have No compassion just because we may not subscribe to your ideology is childish and insulting.
Snarling and insulting people will Never win someone over to your cause, Remember that you will catch more fly's with honey than you will with vinegar
I understand that you have Very strong views on this subject and that's Fine with me But you won't win any friends or get people to take you seriously and genuinely consider what you have to say if you continue to fly off the handle every time someone offers up a different viewpoint than yours.

Did I specifically call you names Trout? Or did I say those without compassion are Neanderthals? If you are offended by a comment not specifically aimed at you its called being paranoid. I thought my language was quite mild seeing some of the racism and bigotry shown in this forum.

I wish wisdom and age went hand in hand - much of the time they unfortunately do not. Young ****** don't grow into nice older people.

Yes I do have strong views. That all opinions should be considered - but yes, I am biased towards opinions that don't target minorities unfairly or do not consider all sides of a debate. I live my life by the principles of merit and equality. I am driven to call people out when they are being close minded. It's who I am.

And it's great to hear you have worked with and have Indigenous relatives. Again, I wasn't targeting you with my response. Simply trying to get peoples attention (which seems to have worked) and try to get them to see alternative views other than their white bread, uninformed, popular media driven dribble.

Originally Posted by gusthedog

I didn't say women were a minority. I said I value the opinions of women - as equally as men. It's called equality if you want to look it up

Wow. Try any lighten the mood a little bit and I get talked down to like a naughty school kid...

BTW I generally prefer the concept of equity to that of flat equality in most situations where there is a significant imbalance. But what would I know? I should go and "look it up" and educate myself as I am so obviously lacking in knowledge and unable to think rationally or make informed decisions.

Your statement was ambiguous to me. You started 'minorities' then cslled out Aboriginals (also minority) then LGTBI (also minority) then women (?). Perhaps you could have worded that more clearly if you meant something different?

I don't see people by pigeon holes. We're all just people. All different and all interesting with something to contribute. The way people behave defines them, not a label applied.

I really enjoyed this discourse for the first few pages as there was vigorous discourse from varying positions and with diverse experience and knowledge. It challenged my position and thinking and shifted both. Now it's kindergarten name calling mainly due to the extremists on both sides that do not represent the vast majority of the populace. Once again it has degenerated to this and I'm quite saddened by that disappointment. I had hoped for so much more on this forum that I rate highly.

Thank you to those of you that stayed on topic and argued your position with respect and intelligence and passion. I very much value your contributions sms it has shaped my thinking. Thank you also to the mods that tried...

Originally Posted by gusthedog

try to get them to see alternative views other than their white bread, uninformed, popular media driven dribble.

You underestimate the knowledge and understanding - not necessarily agreement of majority Australians to issues associated with minorities and indigeous peoples. Australian society in all its forms is not perfect but better than most countries that are multicultural.

Happy Australia Day - it is for all Australians no matter what their ethnic or cultural background.

We are one - we are Australian.

Garry

Originally Posted by DiscoClax

Wow. Try any lighten the mood a little bit and I get talked down to like a naughty school kid...

BTW I generally prefer the concept of equity to that of flat equality in most situations where there is a significant imbalance. But what would I know? I should go and "look it up" and educate myself as I am so obviously lacking in knowledge and unable to think rationally or make informed decisions.

Your statement was ambiguous to me. You started 'minorities' then cslled out Aboriginals (also minority) then LGTBI (also minority) then women (?). Perhaps you could have worded that more clearly if you meant something different?

I don't see people by pigeon holes. We're all just people. All different and all interesting with something to contribute. The way people behave defines them, not a label applied.

I really enjoyed this discourse for the first few pages as there was vigorous discourse from varying positions and with diverse experience and knowledge. It challenged my position and thinking and shifted both. Now it's kindergarten name calling mainly due to the extremists on both sides that do not represent the vast majority of the populace. Once again it has degenerated to this and I'm quite saddened by that disappointment. I had hoped for so much more on this forum that I rate highly.

Thank you to those of you that stayed on topic and argued your position with respect and intelligence and passion. I very much value your contributions sms it has shaped my thinking. Thank you also to the mods that tried...

Did you not see the smily emoticon I used? I'm on tapatalk - maybe it didn't come through on the platform you're using. I realised you were stirring the pot and was simply poking fun back.

And yes, my original response probably was ambiguous. It's hard to be succinct and objective when you are cranky.

Originally Posted by garrycol

You underestimate the knowledge and understanding - not necessarily agreement of majority Australians to issues associated with minorities and indigeous peoples. Australian society in all its forms is not perfect but better than most countries that are multicultural.

Happy Australia Day - it is for all Australians no matter what their ethnic or cultural background.

We are one - we are Australian.

Garry

No Australia day on the 26 of january is not for all peoples or minorities. Clearly Indigenous Australians aren't happy to have the celebration on the date white dudes set up shop. How can you not see that would be offensive if you were an Indigenous Australian?