Thread: Sadly our history has some very dark parts

Chan 9 must have been listening to my previous post re adopting the NZ national day...way to go!!!

Aussie TV channel uses NZ flag to promote Australia Day | Stuff.co.nz

Originally Posted by garrycol

You implied All Indigenlous Australians do not support 26 Jan - well I acknowledge some dont - but many (is it a majority? no idea) do support 26 Jan as Australia Day as they acknowledge it is for all Australians. Producing media article does not support one side or another just as anything can be dragged up to support either position. You quoted one article and I can do as well - lets have media articles at 10 paces - but lets not.

A lot of Australians should listen to Alice Springs Councillor Jacinta Nampijinpa Price - she is more about looking forward rather than in the past and improving the life of Indigenous Australia.

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They had the Minister for Aboriginal Health, who is Indigenous , on the TV a few days back and he was saying there are far more important issues at present than worrying about the date of Australia day. From what I have seen of the indigenous communities up here , he is 100% correct.

Cheers Ean

The solution to improving the life of indigenous Australians is in their own hands. It involves education and work. Getting of their butts, off the grog, and eventually off welfare. Just look at the immigrants and refugees who have come here with nothing and succeeded. Large numbers were illiterate even in their own language. Indeed, many spoke a language that was unwritten. Many of these ethnic groups were as much disliked by White australia as were the aborigines. Yet they persevered and succeeded. Look at the Vietnamese community for an example. In two generations a high proportion of their children are in the professions. The postwar Italians and Greeks are among the biggest property owners.

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Originally Posted by garrycol

You implied All Indigenlous Australians do not support 26 Jan - well I acknowledge some dont - but many (is it a majority? no idea) do support 26 Jan as Australia Day as they acknowledge it is for all Australians. Producing media article does not support one side or another just as anything can be dragged up to support either position. You quoted one article and I can do as well - lets have media articles at 10 paces - but lets not.

A lot of Australians should listen to Alice Springs Councillor Jacinta Nampijinpa Price - she is more about looking forward rather than in the past and improving the life of Indigenous Australia.

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They're was a very good The Drum episode on the ABC a few weeks back and Jacinta was making some excellent points that effort need to be made on both sides to address the current health, incarceration and education issues.

I'd consider myself a card carrying lefty these days, and she made me sit up and listen.

There is an exactly essay in The Monthly by Noel Pearson atm on why he feels betrayed by government atm too.
Regardless of what you think of Noel and whether you agree or disagree, he's a thinker.

It pays to read widely.

Originally Posted by gusthedog

[...] Clearly Indigenous Australians aren't happy to have the celebration on the date white dudes set up shop. How can you not see that would be offensive if you were an Indigenous Australian?

The above two sentences read together are one of the (rare) clear and unambiguous comments you have made in recent posts to this thread.

The first sentence could, by itself, be ambiguous. Did you mean :
- “Clearly [some] Indigenous Australians aren't happy...” or,
- “Clearly [all] Indigenous Australians aren't happy...”

But with the second sentence as context you clearly mean/believe the latter.

In another post here you asked for proof that indigenous people are ok with the 26th Jan. There’s are plenty of indigenous voices saying so. If only you open your eyes/ears. What more proof is needed.

Ok: Enjoying Australia Day in Parramatta Park and indigenous speakers and performers here have delighted my ears saying words to effect “... we are all one big mob, celebrate and enjoy together”. Just saying.

Illawarra Aboriginal leader says leave Australia Day as is

Illawarra Aboriginal leader says leave Australia Day as is | Illawarra Mercury

This was interesting reading earlier in regard to those calling settlement invasion day
Inconvenient fact: Native title can only exist if Australia was settled, not invaded