Thread: Replace a Defender with what?

Originally Posted by DiscoMick

Can a Troopy be ANCAP 5 star?

I don't think it is, only the single cab chassis is from memory

No idea of suitability, but how about an IVECO Daily 4X4? Would tick a lot of the boxes. Dunno about it's ANCAP rating, or body configs available. But they are very capable.

Originally Posted by DiscoMick

Can a Troopy be ANCAP 5 star?

For me personally, I'm not really interested in this ANCAP 5star rating for 4WD's..... I don't care if a car has it or not and to date I've never owned one and never needed one & never had any problems either....

ANCAP ratings are derived from striking a vehicle the same size (passive & active features designed for this) so can be a bit problematic in the real world when you hit something smaller/bigger. That unfortunately meams a Suzuki Swift with a 5 star safety rating won't do so well against a dozer with a zero star rating. Worth thinking about by the RM/QM sticklers when you probably should be allowing certain exemptions on a mine site.....

Originally Posted by JDNSW

As far as I can see, no low range,

Sure about that? They are basically a Ranger wagon. Pretty sure the 4WD Ranger has low range. There are, of course, 2WD Everests. Maybe that's it.

That said, I can't see how an Everest is any better suited than, say, a Prado. That is, not at all.

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Correct, I remind all on mine sites that might has right, and you should be driving on the mine in fear of your life... in an LV whether you are right or wrong if you are run over by a 400t truck you are dead... ANCAP means nothing...

Someone also mentioned about insurance, this is not correct, insurance is about managing risk, no insurer I have ever dealt with is worried about whether or not we have ANCAP rated vehicles, they worry about mitigation, so lessening LV/HV interaction by simply not going into the mine, clearly understood and followed process and competencies, vehicle hierarchy etc... as examples. With drones and cameras there is less and less reason for people to drive within the mine now days, I usually build a central look out where people can observe.
It has all gone a little overboard over the past 10 years with negligible effect on safety performance, I work both in Western Australia and in developing nations, and most times I feel safer over here because of an autocratic, logical and practical approach to vehicles and driving on mines, we separate LV and HV and have very strict criteria for interactions.
It is no wonder there is such massive investment in autonomy.

Originally Posted by Shoogs

Correct, I remind all on mine sites that might has right, and you should be driving on the mine in fear of your life... in an LV whether you are right or wrong if you are run over by a 400t truck you are dead... ANCAP means nothing...

Someone also mentioned about insurance, this is not correct, insurance is about managing risk, no insurer I have ever dealt with is worried about whether or not we have ANCAP rated vehicles, they worry about mitigation, so lessening LV/HV interaction by simply not going into the mine, clearly understood and followed process and competencies, vehicle hierarchy etc... as examples. With drones and cameras there is less and less reason for people to drive within the mine now days, I usually build a central look out where people can observe.
It has all gone a little overboard over the past 10 years with negligible effect on safety performance, I work both in Western Australia and in developing nations, and most times I feel safer over here because of an autocratic, logical and practical approach to vehicles and driving on mines, we separate LV and HV and have very strict criteria for interactions.
It is no wonder there is such massive investment in autonomy.

Sure. But didn't the OP talk about geo surveys off site?

Yes - but one recent job was mapping possible underground water leaks from a tailings dam within the actual mine area.