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    Replace a Defender with what?

    Had an interesting conversation yesterday with a friend. He runs a small groundwater mapping business that operates in two quite different spheres - mining and primary production.

    His operations involve mostly driving crosscountry, not even on tracks to cover a regular grid. Currently, he operates two Defenders, but his mining clients are getting insistent about ANCAP 5 rating for all vehicles. He has looked at possible vehicles to replace the Defenders, but there are two different issues.

    1. All the vehicles he has looked at appear to excessively vulnerable to damage when subject to the sort of use it would get in his type of operation - inadequate ground clearance, bits that are too easily damaged compared to the Defender's axle housings and other underpinnings when you hit stumps, and too many electrical bits able to be snagged by sticks when pushing through scrub. He was particularly critical of how vulnerable Toyota's starters appear and flimsy sheet metal and vulnerable wiring under Discoverys.

    2. With virtually all remotely suitable vehicles aimed primarily at the urban yuppie market, and advertised as this, showing up in one of these at any primary production venue would greatly reduce the chances of getting any work!

    The requirements for a vehicle are best possible offroad performance coupled with reasonable operating costs, and able to cover long on highway distances easily between jobs. Ability to maintain a steady speed of around 5kph all day without issues. At least two tonnes offroad towing capability. Full length single compartment body to house instrumentation (cuts out dual cabs). As mentioned above, ANCAP 5 rating. Need a high driver seating position similar to the Defender to make it easier to see where you are going when pushing through scrub or crops.

    Anyone got any ideas?
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    G-Wagen Professional.

    Unfortunately the cost of entry is eye watering.

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    70 series landcruiser! Has a 5 star ancap rating too.

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    I'd probably disagree with the assessment of the Disco (3 or 4) having taken mine everywhere over about 7 years of life and never damaged anything underneath, although it did have a few bruises after 270,000km. Seats fold flat making a good work storage space but I'm not so sure about the Disco 5 given the current lack of aftermarket equipment for it.

    200 series cruiser maybe?

    Ranger extended cab ( rather than a dual cab) there is quite a large amount of off the shelf upgrades available in the way of protection equipment, same with an extended cab Hilux.

    or go cheap and cheerful with a Triton or a Mahindra and turn them over every 12 months or so. A second hand Triton seems to drop around $10 K with 100,000 KM on it and a couple of years old.

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    G-Professional pricing is not ridiculous when you look at what is standard on them, and the costs to option up a 70 series Landcruiser to similar spec.
    - Centre, front & rear diff locks standard.
    - Hayman Reece type receiver tow bar standard.
    - Dual battery standard.
    - Switchable 12-24 volt electrics standard.
    - Winch wiring & mounting position standard.
    - Bullbar, standard.
    - Raised air intake, standard.

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    The "invincible" defender is not very invincible at all.

    It can be very easily replaced by a dozen vehicles on the market.

    I know someone here is going to ask me which......do your own homework.

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    Not much difference in any of the model on the market.

    Re: excessively venerable to damage underneath.....look how venerable the defender steering components are and it’s not good for any car hitting stumps. I would say any of the ute on offer with a 50mm lift puts it in the same category as a defender for damage.

    Re: electrical bits.......from memory the BT and Hi-luxs we run don’t have cables hanging down waiting to be ripped off.

    Re: off road performance, they are all much the same, traction control, rear locker, limited slip diff

    Re: operating costs.....the cars we run are hassle free, haven’t broken down and are good on fuel

    I think he needs to take his blinkers off.........way more companies ‘99%’ out there operating quite fine with what’s on the market.

    The Marindra probably has the highest searing position apart from a cruiser.

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    I know a brickie in WA that runs a fleet of great wall utes, replaces them every 12 months
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    I have not looked at the market, but how many of those suggested come with a full length hardtop? Not a dual cab, not an extended cab, but two metres or more or space open to the driving position, but secure and weatherproof.

    He has been operating the Defenders for a number of years, and is familiar with them.

    A lot of users drive on a lot of tracks and find a lot of vehicles are competent with it. Few, however, use them in an activity that requires routing cross country driving not on tracks - the ploughed paddocks are the easy bits, scrub covered grazing country less so.

    G-wagon is probably close, but as commented, they are not cheap - and do they make a lwb hardtop?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JDNSW View Post
    I have not looked at the market, but how many of those suggested come with a full length hardtop? Not a dual cab, not an extended cab, but two metres or more or space open to the driving position, but secure and weatherproof.

    Those criteria really only leave him with a Troopy, or one of the bus bodied 4WD trucks, I would have thought.

    Unless you would include wagons in there, in which case a Y62 Patrol ( petrol only, I believe), or a 200LC might fit the bill, but I reckon he'd baulk at IFS, given what you have said.

    If money was no object I'd say a closed bodied Mog of some description.
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